Cindy Griffis on sat 10 nov 01
> If you decide, get a reputable brand--ask your doctor. Mine
> said that it really matters and named a bunch that didn't
> include the one I take, but when asked, he said it's good:
> Osteo Bi-Flex Triple Strength. With that one you start
> out with two a day for two months, I think, and then one a
> day. With some other brands, and other versions of Osteo
> Bi-Flex, you start with up to six a day. I tried an "off"
> brand originally, and it disturbed my stomach. I've had no
> problems. Also, my fingernails started growing stronger.
>
> I think that the combination of glucosamine with chondroitin
> is significant. One prevents further loss, and one
> reconstructs.
I, too, have had positive effects after taking cartilage. People
standing next to me could hear my hip "click" without meds, but after
taking the recommended dosage for a month, then one cap/day
afterward, the noise stopped. I have one qualifier, though.......
Get 100% shark cartilage (I buy Sundown brand at Wal-mart and Publix)
because brands that contain bovine cartilage are made using "downer
cattle" (cattle that aren't walking to the truck) and may be infected
with BSE (aka Mad Cow). For more on the subject of BSE, read Deadly
Harvest by Richard Preston.
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Charles Moore on sat 10 nov 01
Tom,
Celebrex and Vioxx are not NSAID drugs. They are Cox-2 inhibitors.
I kinow personally because I am an old (1962) stomach ulcer sufferer and
have tried the NSAIDs.
The NSAIDs are Cox-1 inhibitors. They caused my old stomach ulcers a lot of
trouble.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "tomsawyer"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Arthritis meds
> Frank,
> There is a whole family of drugs classified as NSAID Non-Steroidal
> Anti-Inflammatory Drug; these include asprin, naproxen, daypro, celebrex,
> vioxx and several others. All NSAID drugs increase stomach acidity and if
a
> person is inclined to peptic ulcer disease, they will cause an
exacerbation.
> Steroids act in the same manner. All of these medications are
> anti-inflammatory and since arthritis typically is associated with
> inflammation, these are the preferred drugs. While tylenol helps with
> relieving pain a property we know as an analgesic, it does not have an
> anti-inflammatory component. All of the NSAID medications are both
> anti-inflammatory and analgesic. NSAID drugs are preferred for arthritis
> because they possess both of these properties. Do you have a history of
> peptic ulcer disease? This is important because it has been discovered
that
> a majority of patients with peptic disease are infected with
Helicobacteria.
> There are several different antibiotics and combination regimens that
> eliminate the Helicobacteria from the stomach. In recent years there is a
> breath test for helicobacteria; talk to your family doctor and if he is
> unaware find a gastroenterologist and ask to be tested. Treatment involves
> taking an antibiotic and often several other medication - a lot of pills
for
> 2-3 weeks. I take vioxx and when my stomach acted up, I treated myself [an
> advantage of being a physician] and have had no further trouble. I might
add
> for those on the list that have stomach problems when drinking alcohol the
> same principal applies. I often treat patients at the homeless clinic
where
> I volunteer as a physician empircally because we can't afford the breath
> test. Most ulcer disease is cause by that nasty criter helicobacteria.
I've
> probably told you more than you ever wanted to know about peptic disease
but
> I hope this helps.
> Tom Sawyer
> tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
>
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Susan Fox-Hirschmann on sat 10 nov 01
I believe what you are looking for is glucosamine chondroitin sulfate, and
the studies in japan have shown that, over a long period of time, 12-16
months, of regularly taking it, it helps build joint tissues. (my
orthopedist said "he was not allowed to do this but that he did recommend
that i take it'' for really sore knees from running).
To those of you interested: the classic book on the supplement is The
Arthritis Cure, by Theodosakis, Adderly and Fox (no relation!)
Best of Luck,
It surely has helped me!
Susan fox hirschmann
>From: pammyam
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Arthritis meds
>Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:34:18 -0500
>
>Glucosamine and chondroitin had been shown ( I think) to
>have positive effects on osteo-arthritis. I think that I
>saw something about it in Prevention magazine several issues
>ago. Anecdotally, my gardener/teacher mom (70) and a
>marathoner sis-in-law (60) swear by it. A tennis playing
>acquaintance 60-70 who is not usually open to such things
>said it helped her in two weeks. My 40 year old sister said
>she could not kneel and after taking it for several months
>realized she had gradually returned to old habits and hadn't
>noticed. My skeptical spouse, who has arthiritis in lower
>spine, believes it had eased his problems. I went to the
>doc for a knee/leg problem and he thought it to be something
>with the cruciate something or other and some damaged
>ligaments and the knee cap was slipping and posibbly a cyst
>forming. Told him I'd started taking glucosamine and
>chondroitin and he wanted me to wait a month or two while
>continuing the therapy before even x-raying (he's an
>osteopath). Well, it's much better. I couldn't sit
>yoga-style with knees bent without placing a pillow under
>the offending knee. Now I can. My dad, who has multiple
>maladies including diabetes, neck joint deterioration,
>extreme swelling of feet, etc., asked his doctore and he
>told him to try it and said that he, the doc, takes, it too.
>If you decide, get a reputable brand--ask your doctor. Mine
>said that it really matters and named a bunch that didn't
>include the one I take, but when asked, he said it's good:
>Osteo Bi-Flex Triple Strength. With that one you start
>out with two a day for two months, I think, and then one a
>day. With some other brands, and other versions of Osteo
>Bi-Flex, you start with up to six a day. I tried an "off"
>brand originally, and it disturbed my stomach. I've had no
>problems. Also, my fingernails started growing stronger.
>
>I think that the combination of glucosamine with chondroitin
>is significant. One prevents further loss, and one
>reconstructs.
>Pam
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank Gaydos"
>Subject: Arthritis meds
>
>
>At the risk of going off topic, but, this does affect my
>throwing.
>I have been taking Vioxx for arthritis in my thumbs but, it
>really does a number on my stomach.
>Without it I can hardly sign my name so I really need
>something.
>Any feedback out there?
>I am being encouraged to try acupuncture. Any feedback on
>that for ostio arthritis?
>How about Celebrex? Stomach wise?
>MSM with Glucosamine?
>Please answer offline so others are not bored.
>fgaydos@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>TIA Frank
>
>Frank Gaydos
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Frank Gaydos on sat 10 nov 01
At the risk of going off topic, but, this does affect my throwing.
I have been taking Vioxx for arthritis in my thumbs but, it really does =
a number on my stomach.
Without it I can hardly sign my name so I really need something.
Any feedback out there?
I am being encouraged to try acupuncture. Any feedback on that for ostio =
arthritis?
How about Celebrex? Stomach wise?
MSM with Glucosamine?
Please answer offline so others are not bored.
fgaydos@earthlink.net
TIA Frank
Frank Gaydos
tomsawyer on sat 10 nov 01
Frank,
There is a whole family of drugs classified as NSAID Non-Steroidal
Anti-Inflammatory Drug; these include asprin, naproxen, daypro, celebrex,
vioxx and several others. All NSAID drugs increase stomach acidity and if a
person is inclined to peptic ulcer disease, they will cause an exacerbation.
Steroids act in the same manner. All of these medications are
anti-inflammatory and since arthritis typically is associated with
inflammation, these are the preferred drugs. While tylenol helps with
relieving pain a property we know as an analgesic, it does not have an
anti-inflammatory component. All of the NSAID medications are both
anti-inflammatory and analgesic. NSAID drugs are preferred for arthritis
because they possess both of these properties. Do you have a history of
peptic ulcer disease? This is important because it has been discovered that
a majority of patients with peptic disease are infected with Helicobacteria.
There are several different antibiotics and combination regimens that
eliminate the Helicobacteria from the stomach. In recent years there is a
breath test for helicobacteria; talk to your family doctor and if he is
unaware find a gastroenterologist and ask to be tested. Treatment involves
taking an antibiotic and often several other medication - a lot of pills for
2-3 weeks. I take vioxx and when my stomach acted up, I treated myself [an
advantage of being a physician] and have had no further trouble. I might add
for those on the list that have stomach problems when drinking alcohol the
same principal applies. I often treat patients at the homeless clinic where
I volunteer as a physician empircally because we can't afford the breath
test. Most ulcer disease is cause by that nasty criter helicobacteria. I've
probably told you more than you ever wanted to know about peptic disease but
I hope this helps.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
pammyam on sat 10 nov 01
Glucosamine and chondroitin had been shown ( I think) to
have positive effects on osteo-arthritis. I think that I
saw something about it in Prevention magazine several issues
ago. Anecdotally, my gardener/teacher mom (70) and a
marathoner sis-in-law (60) swear by it. A tennis playing
acquaintance 60-70 who is not usually open to such things
said it helped her in two weeks. My 40 year old sister said
she could not kneel and after taking it for several months
realized she had gradually returned to old habits and hadn't
noticed. My skeptical spouse, who has arthiritis in lower
spine, believes it had eased his problems. I went to the
doc for a knee/leg problem and he thought it to be something
with the cruciate something or other and some damaged
ligaments and the knee cap was slipping and posibbly a cyst
forming. Told him I'd started taking glucosamine and
chondroitin and he wanted me to wait a month or two while
continuing the therapy before even x-raying (he's an
osteopath). Well, it's much better. I couldn't sit
yoga-style with knees bent without placing a pillow under
the offending knee. Now I can. My dad, who has multiple
maladies including diabetes, neck joint deterioration,
extreme swelling of feet, etc., asked his doctore and he
told him to try it and said that he, the doc, takes, it too.
If you decide, get a reputable brand--ask your doctor. Mine
said that it really matters and named a bunch that didn't
include the one I take, but when asked, he said it's good:
Osteo Bi-Flex Triple Strength. With that one you start
out with two a day for two months, I think, and then one a
day. With some other brands, and other versions of Osteo
Bi-Flex, you start with up to six a day. I tried an "off"
brand originally, and it disturbed my stomach. I've had no
problems. Also, my fingernails started growing stronger.
I think that the combination of glucosamine with chondroitin
is significant. One prevents further loss, and one
reconstructs.
Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Gaydos"
Subject: Arthritis meds
At the risk of going off topic, but, this does affect my
throwing.
I have been taking Vioxx for arthritis in my thumbs but, it
really does a number on my stomach.
Without it I can hardly sign my name so I really need
something.
Any feedback out there?
I am being encouraged to try acupuncture. Any feedback on
that for ostio arthritis?
How about Celebrex? Stomach wise?
MSM with Glucosamine?
Please answer offline so others are not bored.
fgaydos@earthlink.net
TIA Frank
Frank Gaydos
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iandol on sun 11 nov 01
Dear Pam,
Re your comment <to have positive effects on osteo-arthritis.>>
I think this is a long term solution, not an instant magic bullet. =
Perhaps there is a synergistic relationship. They seem to be working =
well on our older dog.
My Doc always told me to take the anti inflammatory things with a meal =
when he prescribed them.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
tomsawyer on sun 11 nov 01
Charlie,
You wrote:
"Tom,
Celebrex and Vioxx are not NSAID drugs. They are Cox-2 inhibitors."
I kinow personally because I am an old (1962) stomach ulcer sufferer and
have tried the NSAIDs.
The NSAIDs are Cox-1 inhibitors. They caused my old stomach ulcers a lot of
trouble.
Charlie,
Sorry to disagree. I copied the following from MosbyRx [2001]:
ROFECOXIB (003435)
CATEGORIES: Arthritis, osteoarthritis; Dysmenorrhea; Pain; FDA Approved
1999 May; Pregnancy Category C; Top 200 Drugs
Drug Class: Analgesics, non-narcotic; COX-2 inhibitors; Nonsteroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs
BRAND NAMES: Vioxx
Mechanism of Action
Rofecoxib is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug that exhibits
anti-inflammatory, analgesic, and antipyretic activities in animal models.
CELECOXIB (003427)
CATEGORIES: Arthritis, osteoarthritis; Arthritis, rheumatoid; Familial
adenomatous polyposis; FDA Approved 1998 Dec; Pregnancy Category C; Top 200
Drugs
Drug Class: Analgesics, non-narcotic; COX-2 inhibitors; Nonsteroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs
BRAND NAMES: Celebra; Celebrex; Celib; Coxid
Mechanism of Action
Celecoxib is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug that exhibits
anti-inflammatory, analgesic, and antipyretic activities in animal models.
Copyright(c) 2001 Mosby, Inc. All rights reserved.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
Howard Scoggins on sun 11 nov 01
Had serious joint pain in my hands for four years from arthritis. Took =
MSM tablets for six weeks. Bingo! I swear by this stuff. MSM comes from =
(I have been told) DMSO, the
source of a million cures.
Also use a home-made lotion of chili pepper juice and lanolin on knees =
and shoulders. It works for me.
tomsawyer on sun 11 nov 01
Frank,
I've noticed in my earlier reply that I left out information on glucosamine.
I have a medical CD with over 40 Medical Textbooks. The following was copied
from a book entitled Current Medical Diagnosis & Treatment 40th ED. (2001).
Glucosamine & Chondroitin
Glucosamine and chondroitin have been used in Europe for the treatment of
osteoarthritis since the 1980s. These compounds can be extracted from animal
products and have been observed to increase proteoglycan production of
articular cartilage in vitro and in animals. Glucosamine sulfate, the
compound commonly used in supplements, is synthetically manufactured. It has
anti-inflammatory properties in animal models. It is frequently combined
with chondroitin sulfate, which is a glycoaminoglycan. Research suggests
that chondroitin may influence articular fluid viscosity, inhibit breakdown
of cartilage, and stimulate cartilage repair.
A recent meta-analysis by McAlindon et al identified 15 randomized,
double-blind, placebo-controlled trials involving 1710 patients with knee or
hip osteoarthritis. Summary estimates found glucosamine and chondroitin to
have moderate to large effects for treating osteoarthritis symptoms. Most
trials were of poor to fair quality, and publication bias probably
exaggerated the benefits. However, at least a modest degree of efficacy can
perhaps be assumed. Investigators at the University of Utah are conducting a
multicenter trial, funded by the NIH, to evaluate these compounds under
rigorous conditions to determine their long-term effectiveness. In the
interim, glucosamine and chondroitin appear to be safe and well tolerated.
The clinical trial literature suggests that these compounds are moderately
effective in the treatment of osteoarthritis.
McAlindon RE et al: Glucosamine and chondroitin for the treatment of
osteoarthritis: A systematic quality assessment and meta-analysis. JAMA
2000;283:1469. [NLM Cit ID: 20195075]
Copyright(c) 2001 The McGraw Hill Companies, Inc. All rights reserved.
On a personal note, I started taking glucosamine with MSN about 6 months ago
when I began having a lot of joint pains and aches. I believe it helped a
little; I seemed to be better some days than others but it is difficult to
determine if the weather or preceding days diet or activities were causually
related. I finally started taking celebrex that didn't seem to do much for
me then Vioxx with I am convinced helps. I still take the glucosamine/MSN
with the Vioxx. I've talked to patients that swear by the glucosamine and
others that disclaim any improvement. I believe there are individually
different mechanisms of action or different metabolic variants of arthritis
that determine its effectiveness -sometimes it works and sometimes not. I
don't know of any contraindication in taking glucosamine but let me hasten
to add a disclaimer. When drugs are tested for safety and effectiveness they
are tested ALONE. When we mix and match medications, they may have
unexpected effects. Vioxx for example after its release has been found to
interact with other medicines such as ACE inhibitors, Cimetidine, Digoxin,
Furosemide, Ketoconazole, Lithium Methotrexate, Rifampin, and Warfarin. It
can increase or decrease the potency of these drugs depending on which ones
are used. This points out the problem of persons self medicating themselves
particularly if they are taking other drugs. When newer drugs are released
these interactions just are not known in the majority of cases. In animal
studies vioxx is associated with an increased number of vertebral
malformations and nursing animals taking vioxx have an increased infant
mortality due to the transmission of vioxx in the mother's milk. Vioxx can
cause kidney and hepatic damage. How does glucosamine interact with other
medicines - don't really know but it appears to be safe. What if you now mix
3-4 different medicines with glucosamine - now we really don't know. I
always caution patients taking health food supplements to be very careful -
may or may not be safe with some meds and unfortunately studies are
unavailable. Certain vitamins and supplements can cause some cancers such as
lymphomas to grow and spread more quickly. Claybuds, just know what your
doing.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
Cyberpotter@AOL.COM on sun 11 nov 01
camoore33@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
> Celebrex and Vioxx are not NSAID drugs. They are Cox-2 inhibitors
COX-2 inhibitors are a type of NSAID. NSAID means non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drug. They treat inflammation by inhibiting the production
of prostaglandins, hormone-like substances produced by the body in response
to cell injury, rather than by suppressing the immune system like steroids
do. They do this by inhibiting the function of the enzyme cyclooxygenase
(COX), which is necessary to produce prostaglandins. There are two known
forms of COX. COX-1 happens to protect the stomach and intestinal lining,
while COX-2 is the form that enables the production of the prostaglandins
which cause pain, fever, and inflammation. Most NSAIDs are relatively
nonspecific, and inhibit both COX-1 and COX-2. There is a range of
specificity here - it's not just an on or off thing. Older NSAIDs actually
inhibit COX-1 far more than they do COX-2 (the ratio for aspirin is 166:1),
while the new drugs on the block have been designed to have little or no
blocking action on COX-1.
Nancy in Cincinnati,
who got pre-ulcers a few years back from taking ibuprofen daily, which is 15X
harder on COX-1 than on COX-2.
Elca Branman on sun 11 nov 01
Just to add to the confusion, I tried Vioxx, had negative digestive
reponses, switched to Celebrex and i've been on it for at least a
year..helps a lot.
I thought I was through throwing because of the thumb pain but the
medication really works for me.
I take glkucosamin etc, on the theory that it can't hurt, maybe it's
helping..
I guess the answer is no one size fits all..Wouldn't it be interesting to
find out if potter's ,as a group,within the same age ranges, have more,
less, or the same amount of osteoarthritis as the clay deprived world?
. Elca
Elca Branman.. in Sarasota,Florida,USA
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Patti Kratzke on sun 11 nov 01
On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:54:45 -0800 Charles Moore
writes:
> Tom,
> Celebrex and Vioxx are not NSAID drugs. They are Cox-2 inhibitors. I
kinow personally because I am an old (1962) stomach ulcer sufferer and
have tried the NSAIDs... The NSAIDs are Cox-1 inhibitors. They caused my
old stomach ulcers a lot of trouble.
> Charles
Charles, in the interest of accuracy, Celebrex and Vioxx are indeed
NSAIDs, they are just a different KIND of NSAID. NSAID stands for
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug. And the cox-2s can also cause
stomach upset. Everyone responds differently, and for some people (such
as yourself) the cox-2s are much kinder to the tummy. For some, they are
dramatically more effective, as well. Tom was also right about the
helicobacteria. Anyone with ulcers or chronic stomach problems should
check that out.
Patti Kratzke
Kingston, WA
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iandol on mon 12 nov 01
Dear Cindy Griffis=20
Living close to a fishing area which is noted for its Great White =
Pointers, I think using their skeletal parts for medication gives a new =
twist to the old phrase "Man Eating Shark".
Your reference to bovine sources of cartilage is interesting. We were =
discussing these things in the gym a few weeks ago and I suggested that =
pigs trotters and cow heels which were no longer available in the =
grocery markets or butchers would be cheaper and might be equally =
effective. So it would seem that we may be suffering for the sake of =
having convenience foods of one sort or another. Having eliminated =
necessary collagen bearing items from our diet, we make up by getting an =
esoteric substitute at a much higher cost. I would also imagine a lot of =
cartilage comes for Skates and Rays which are often part of the by-catch =
produced by modern factory fishing methods.
Have fun and keep spry.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia.
Elizabeth Hewitt on mon 12 nov 01
Speaking of Arthritis, does anyone see a link between Arthritis and
specific activities? For instance, in the past few months I've had a lot
of pain in my left thumb and joint at the base of my left index finger.
It hurts especially when I hold heavy containers as I work with clay,
unscrew lids, wedge clay, and center clay. They are all activities where
I'm stressing the thumb and finger. I've wondered if the stressing is
causing it, or if it is unrelated and just hurts to use it because of
Arthritis. I've noticed a change in the shape of the thumb joint already
as it has enlarged. It's scary, I DON'T want this!!
Some of my close relatives had Arthritis that effected and deformed all
the joints in all their fingers. I thought it bypassed me as they
developed it in their forties and fifties and I've past both of those
ages by a few.
With the advice of my PC doctor, I'm seeking a Rheumatologist.
Elizabeth
Martin Howard on mon 12 nov 01
The one medication for arthritis that I take is urine.
There's nothing better or cheaper.
Martin Howard
Webbs Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
01371 850 423
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pammyam on mon 12 nov 01
Dear Iandol,
From what I've read, it usually takes up to 60
days or more for results, but I know people who
swear it worked sooner for them, and there are a
couple or three who say they tried it and it
didn't work. One of those claims that honey and
cider vinegar help her arthritic hands.
I first recall hearing of the treatment years ago
when I worked for a veterinarian. I think it has
been used for years with horses. We also used the
DMSO that someone else mentioned in another post
in this thread. Yes, I too, was usually told to
take anti-infammatory drugs with food. The same
caution goes with the g/c. I didn't fare well
with NSAIDS. Aside from stomach irritation, I
just felt generally unwell and irritable when I
took them.
Dear Pam,
Re your comment <had been shown ( I think) to have positive effects
on osteo-arthritis.>>
I think this is a long term solution, not an
instant magic bullet. Perhaps there is a
synergistic relationship. They seem to be working
well on our older dog.
My Doc always told me to take the anti
inflammatory things with a meal when he prescribed
them.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis. Redhill, South Australia
Earl Brunner on mon 12 nov 01
It's a good thing I have excellent health insurance.
Martin Howard wrote:
> The one medication for arthritis that I take is urine.
> There's nothing better or cheaper.
>
> Martin Howard
> Webbs Cottage Pottery
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec/
bruec@anv.net
pammyam on sat 17 nov 01
Shot in the dark, but ask about taking additional B6
supplements and see what happens. B6 is one that you must
not overdo--I think 200mcg/day is the max. I was having
numbness in my right arm, especially at night and if I
rested my arm on a table or desk. I'd been working a great
deal on some fish sculptures for an outdoor project:
sanding, washing, priming, sanding, priming, and then
painting. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I
started taking extra B6 daily before the project ended.
I've had virtually no problem after the B6 therapy. I am
reluctant to discontinue. I didn't have inordinate pain,
though.
Again, a caution about the total amount of B6--check you
multivitamin and your total B supplement if you take one.
Some people who supposedly have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome also
respond well to B6. It's also supposed to help with moods,
PMS, and it makes me dream like a maniac if I take it late
at night.
Sweet dreams,
Pam
: << Speaking of Arthritis, does anyone see a link between
Arthritis and
:
: specific activities? >>
:
: For several months, I have been experiencing tingling and
numbness in my
: right arm and hand along with lots of pain in my neck and
right shoulder. I
: mentioned this to my internist while I was getting an
annual exam (1st in 3
: years - so much for being annual). She ordered an xray. It
appears that I
: have degenerative joint disease in my cerical spine
(c5-c7). I'm going for my
: first MRI on Monday.
:
: When these episodes of tingling, numbness, and pain became
regular events in
: my daily life (several times a day), I looked for
patterns. What was I doing,
: what was I not doing, what was I eating, etc. Was there
anything that seemed
: to trigger them? I really didn't find anything in common.
I must admit that
: I did wonder whether all of the flying I do had anything
to do with it. I
: noticed that often, but not always, I would experience the
symptoms when we
: were taking off or landing. I always take along my own
bottle of water on the
: plane and make sure that I stay well hydrated, but I did
wonder about the
: pressure placed on my body.
:
: Between mid-May and mid-October, I flew at least 2 times a
week. Each flight
: was about 3 hours or so in the air. It's now been 5 weeks
since my last plane
: trip and 2 or 3 weeks since I experienced the symptoms on
a regular, daily
: basis. Hmmmmm.
:
: Shula
: in sunny Redondo Beach, California USA
: Were I am debating with myself about whether to drive 2
hours or so to go
: north of the Mojave to watch the Leonid meteor shower
tonight. The LA
: Sidewalk astronomers are going out there for a good view.
I checked the
: weather and it's going to be cold there tonight (I've
become a wimp when it
: comes to cold since I've moved to Southern CA. Of course,
comparing the
: Mojave forecasted low temperature to what some of our
Claybuds count as cold
: temperatures, it will be downright balmy). Fog here near
the beach may
: obscure my view, so I may miss the meteors if I stay home.
According to the
: LA Times, some astronomers say this will be the best
Leonid shower until
: 2099.
: Decisions, decisions!
:
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PurpleLama@AOL.COM on sat 17 nov 01
<< Speaking of Arthritis, does anyone see a link between Arthritis and
specific activities? >>
For several months, I have been experiencing tingling and numbness in my
right arm and hand along with lots of pain in my neck and right shoulder. I
mentioned this to my internist while I was getting an annual exam (1st in 3
years - so much for being annual). She ordered an xray. It appears that I
have degenerative joint disease in my cerical spine (c5-c7). I'm going for my
first MRI on Monday.
When these episodes of tingling, numbness, and pain became regular events in
my daily life (several times a day), I looked for patterns. What was I doing,
what was I not doing, what was I eating, etc. Was there anything that seemed
to trigger them? I really didn't find anything in common. I must admit that
I did wonder whether all of the flying I do had anything to do with it. I
noticed that often, but not always, I would experience the symptoms when we
were taking off or landing. I always take along my own bottle of water on the
plane and make sure that I stay well hydrated, but I did wonder about the
pressure placed on my body.
Between mid-May and mid-October, I flew at least 2 times a week. Each flight
was about 3 hours or so in the air. It's now been 5 weeks since my last plane
trip and 2 or 3 weeks since I experienced the symptoms on a regular, daily
basis. Hmmmmm.
Shula
in sunny Redondo Beach, California USA
Were I am debating with myself about whether to drive 2 hours or so to go
north of the Mojave to watch the Leonid meteor shower tonight. The LA
Sidewalk astronomers are going out there for a good view. I checked the
weather and it's going to be cold there tonight (I've become a wimp when it
comes to cold since I've moved to Southern CA. Of course, comparing the
Mojave forecasted low temperature to what some of our Claybuds count as cold
temperatures, it will be downright balmy). Fog here near the beach may
obscure my view, so I may miss the meteors if I stay home. According to the
LA Times, some astronomers say this will be the best Leonid shower until
2099.
Decisions, decisions!
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