vince pitelka on tue 20 nov 01
Joyce Lee said:
"Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last
few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my
quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of
course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this
reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists
but are extremely serious and passionate about our clay work."
Joyce -
I am uncomfortable with the word "crafter." I think it is used by people
who do not know better in reference to anyone who practices any kind of
craft. When we use the term "craftsman" or "craftsperson" we have a very
definite concept in mind, and it is nothing like "crafter." Your local
newspaper misquoted you, and they should be called on the carpet for it.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Wanda Holmes on tue 20 nov 01
I like artisan....thanks for adding a useful word to my working
vocabulary....wanda
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Subject: Re: craftsman and/or artist (crafter?)
Joyce,
Try describing yourself as an artisan..... it fits and there is no way it
can be mis-heard or mis-quoted.
Webster New World addition
Artisan- a skilled workman or craftsman
right under that definition is
Artist- the root being (ML. artista, craftsman, artisan)
Well that takes care of the Art vs Crafts debate for me!!!!!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Joyce Lee wrote>>
Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last
few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my
quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of
course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this
reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists
but are extremely serious and passionate about our clay work.
Joyce
In the Mojave who didn't receive Clayart yesterday, but was rescued from the
pangs of withdrawal by the archives. Nice. Thank you, ACers.
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John Hesselberth on tue 20 nov 01
on 11/20/01 10:18 AM, Joyce Lee at joycelee@IWVISP.COM wrote:
> Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last few
> months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my quote
> was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of course, but
> I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this reference for
> those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists but are extremely
> serious and passionate about our clay work.
Hi Joyce,
Crafter, hmmmm. The image that comes to my mind is a person who makes toilet
seat covers from little pieces of foam rubber and similar do-dads from the
kits A.C. Moore and similar stores sell.
Regards,
John
Joyce Lee on tue 20 nov 01
Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the =
last few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said =
"craftsman," my quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant =
to me only, of course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have =
heard or read this reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, =
that we are not artists but are extremely serious and passionate about =
our clay work.
Joyce
In the Mojave who didn't receive Clayart yesterday, but was rescued from =
the pangs of withdrawal by the archives. Nice. Thank you, ACers.
Cindy Strnad on tue 20 nov 01
Dear Joyce,
I suspect that "crafter" is the newspaper's
politically correct solution to the dilemma of the
"man" in "craftsman". Kind of like "server"
instead of "waitress/waiter". Unfortunately, the
term "crafter" conjures up (in my mind) images of
hot-gluing egg carton cut-outs together to form
Christmas stars, and making poodles out of empty
bread bags . . . you get the idea. And
we're so much *better* than *those* people. sarcasm--self-deprecating humor>
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
claybair on tue 20 nov 01
Joyce,
Try describing yourself as an artisan..... it fits and there is no way it
can be mis-heard or mis-quoted.
Webster New World addition
Artisan- a skilled workman or craftsman
right under that definition is
Artist- the root being (ML. artista, craftsman, artisan)
Well that takes care of the Art vs Crafts debate for me!!!!!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Joyce Lee wrote>>
Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last
few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my
quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of
course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this
reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists
but are extremely serious and passionate about our clay work.
Joyce
In the Mojave who didn't receive Clayart yesterday, but was rescued from the
pangs of withdrawal by the archives. Nice. Thank you, ACers.
Anita M. Swan on tue 20 nov 01
I have to admit that "crafter" makes me think of someone crocheting those toilet paper covers...I would be irritated too, if my term 'craftsman' had been changed. Did you mention it to the author? Just let them know that is really isn't accurate. 'Nita
Joyce Lee wrote:
> Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists but are extremely serious and passionate about our clay work.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave who didn't receive Clayart yesterday, but was rescued from the pangs of withdrawal by the archives. Nice. Thank you, ACers.
>
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Philip Poburka on wed 21 nov 01
Yea...and too, the term 'Crafter' sounds to me like more of the facile
'pee-cee' vocabulary favored bye journalists who have no knowledge or
sympathy (likely an antipathy) for things outside their station, their
'agenda' and their experience...and one may guess, implicitly express their
sanctioned contempt for their readership, their complicity with editors
whose contmpt must guide and instruct, or a trivialization of the
appreciations and the
occupations their subterfuge should construe as 'threatening' to certain
'interests'.
Now maybe the term 'crafter' does not warrent the attention I am pausing to
give it, or the implications I may be disposed to associate in it's
apprehension...but the consideration IS applicable to the general trend of
things, and moreso, to the complaisency in which thought is lead, or moreso,
instructed as to what TO experience, and how to do so.
I am told that there are vocabulary protocols now, which require certain
terms at the definite exclusion of others: Amelia Airhart was NOT an
'Aviatrix', she was a 'pilot'...on and on...to agree TO them is to agree as
well to much else as go with them.
Distinctions are abandoned to satisfy some, and patronize others, who should
rather there were
none which might illumine what now what must be supressed.
All in the guise of 'information': the would be 'content' is reduced to
more being left out than told.
The 'left-out' IS an 'instruction' as is the 'how' it is left out...and
implicitly 'why'...
Stalin smiles in his grave...
The Carnegie Libraries ought be torn down (what few remain OF them) as they
may intimidate those whose eyes may raise to apprehend them...on and
on...everything must be lowered but for the gods of 'entertainment' who
shall be elevated.
Libraries now, as with Fire Stations, must resemble 'Pre-School' day-care
centers...and for all the same 'reasons'.
So our vocabularies, and the wit to use them, as 'listeners' most, as saying
anything, secondly...so long as no one may 'hear', what matter what might
sometimes be 'said?
No one I can find 'listens' to the speeches of mcbush...no one I can find
'reads' the Papers...'hears' the commercials...'sees' the 'ads'...the great
'work' proceeds well...
Phil
Las Vegas...
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hesselberth"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: craftsman and/or artist (crafter?)
> on 11/20/01 10:18 AM, Joyce Lee at joycelee@IWVISP.COM wrote:
>
> > Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the
last few
> > months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my
quote
> > was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of
course, but
> > I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this reference
for
> > those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists but are
extremely
> > serious and passionate about our clay work.
>
> Hi Joyce,
>
> Crafter, hmmmm. The image that comes to my mind is a person who makes
toilet
> seat covers from little pieces of foam rubber and similar do-dads from the
> kits A.C. Moore and similar stores sell.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
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Edouard Bastarache on wed 21 nov 01
Hey Wanda,
we have been using it (artisan) for decades if not centuries in french.
Later,
Edouard Bastarache
Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
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http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Wanda Holmes
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: craftsman and/or artist (crafter?)
> I like artisan....thanks for adding a useful word to my working
> vocabulary....wanda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of claybair
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:44 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: craftsman and/or artist (crafter?)
>
>
> Joyce,
> Try describing yourself as an artisan..... it fits and there is no way it
> can be mis-heard or mis-quoted.
> Webster New World addition
> Artisan- a skilled workman or craftsman
> right under that definition is
> Artist- the root being (ML. artista, craftsman, artisan)
> Well that takes care of the Art vs Crafts debate for me!!!!!
>
> Gayle Bair
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> http://claybair.com
>
> Joyce Lee wrote>>
>
> Our local newspaper has used the term "crafter" several times in the last
> few months. Even in an interview where I distinctly said "craftsman," my
> quote was changed to "crafter." This may be significant to me only, of
> course, but I'm wondering if any other claybuds have heard or read this
> reference for those of us who realize, like Wanda, that we are not artists
> but are extremely serious and passionate about our clay work.
>
> Joyce
> In the Mojave who didn't receive Clayart yesterday, but was rescued from
the
> pangs of withdrawal by the archives. Nice. Thank you, ACers.
>
>
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