Richard Jeffery on fri 23 nov 01
we're here, Cor, don't worry.... it's not just Martin in the wilderness
outside London.
Of course, for many in Europe, our inability by and large as a group to cope
with anything other than English is a natural limiter.
Richard
Bournemouth UK
www.TheEleventhHour.co.uk
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Subject: ARE THERE NO CLAYARTERS IN EUROPE?
Are there no Clayarters in Europe?
Somehow I have the idea that there are very few members of clayart in
Europe.
(Apart from Martin Howard in England, Alisa and Claus from Denmark and a
few others of course.)
To be honest, I am not a very regular participant myself and I don't want to
do somebody wrong, but I would be glad to get some more reactions of (South)
European participants.
For instance France, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries with
such a rich pottery culture, lets hear something from you!!
There must be plenty of interesting information to share with our group.
I always have my holiday somewhere in Europe; a brief visit to a congenial
is always an inspiring occupation.
Greetings Cor from a stormy Holland.
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Francoise Bazard on fri 23 nov 01
Hello Cor !
Of course there are....
I am french, from Alsace, near from Strasbourg !
And you can find Russel in Belgium, Janet in UK, Jose Antonio in
Spain,etc.
Sincerely
Françoise
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Cor Duijnker on fri 23 nov 01
Are there no Clayarters in Europe?
Somehow I have the idea that there are very few members of clayart in =
Europe.
(Apart from Martin Howard in England, Alisa and Claus from Denmark and =
a few others of course.)
To be honest, I am not a very regular participant myself and I don't =
want to do somebody wrong, but I would be glad to get some more =
reactions of (South) European participants.
For instance France, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries =
with such a rich pottery culture, lets hear something from you!!
There must be plenty of interesting information to share with our group.
I always have my holiday somewhere in Europe; a brief visit to a =
congenial is always an inspiring occupation.
Greetings Cor from a stormy Holland.
Janet Kaiser on sat 24 nov 01
Ababi in Israel (they sing in the Eurovision song
contest, so they must be "European Clayarters" too, no?
Ababi also sources most of his materials and books in
Europe/UK)
Alisa in Denmark
Ana in Belgrade
Anna in Iceland
and we are not through the "A"s yet...!
Many ex-Europeans are active in the USA these days, but
retain close European ties... Like Lena and Martha.
Clay Art is very hard work for most of us to keep up
with... but we must not forget that it is a big problem
for English-as-a-second/foreign language potters. With
so much to read daily... Well, not everyone is totally
fluent and so there tends to be a huge "turnover" of
European participants.
I don't know about the Netherlands, but in Germany,
those who become Handwerker or Kunsthandwerker (like
potters) have not always learned very much English at
school...
And to be absolutely honest, most of us are very sloppy
in our Use of English. There is a great deal of slang
or colloquialisms, which even have English speakers'
baffled... Depends which part of the world we live.
Just look at the number of "English" dictionaries we
have installed on our PCs and the archives where words
have to be explained...
Russel is forgetting that many Europeans do not
consider Britain or Ireland as part of Europe or (more
to the point) vice versa. When Caesar wrote about the
Bavarians (who do not consider themselves Germanic, but
a Celtic race), he described them as "for the whole
small in stature... a thieving populace living on the
edge of the Alps" ...Although Caesar came and conquered
these Isles "veni - vedi - vici" we are likewise, a
small island in the German Sea (called the North Sea
these days). In fact, Wales is "Arsch der Welt"... It
is quicker to travel to New York or Moscow, than it is
to drive to London! If I started rowing in a straight
line from the shore in front of our house, I would end
up in South America...
Janet Kaiser - Who thought Russel and Richard J. were
saying "Cor Blimey"...
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Ababi on sun 25 nov 01
To be an active member of clayart might be not so easy.
If you don't know English
If you do know English but do not know what means
"dunting","3134","aus-spod" what means "Matrix" besides matrix and
"Insight" besides insight.
To be a good clayarter you need to "waste" at least an hour a day to
read help and to learn.
You need much more time to test. Inform, The way Tony F and me are
doing, or build a site like you Janet or Faye, has built, for the
benefit of people you might never meet or assist the way Ron Roy John
Hesselberth Steven Branfman And beloved Tom Buck are doing. (Not to
talk about the moderators) and more people ( your names are saved on my
hard drive)
It is not just surfing, looking for a recipe here or there.
Perhaps I would more local possibilities to express my knowledge, I
would not be so deep in clayart. Perhaps people from the "out world"
cannot imagine the greatness we have here.
When I joined ClayArt, I asked my wife, to translate me some words, she
could not help me: "Defloculant", "dunting", "flux". Even my good
translator could not help what is "Leach"? Or who is "Leach"? And who
or what is "Leach" that comes through when you have too much Na2O and
wasn't it enough chemistry in high school?
There is a problem of different culture, in a way. I would say in the
ceramic way. The openness, the sharing.
The clayart is a new society. Talks English more the American way.
When I prepare a glaze I make it in American materials or convert it,
to make it possible for you to test and response Or convert American
materials to my needs.
Thank God!
At least the Grams I don't have to convert I would give up the ceramics!
I can offer to European, and "eastern than Europe"
Buy Babylon translator,
It will help you with the English and the mineralogy www.babylon.com
Use on the net or buy
http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn to translate letters and
sites from to several languages
Enter to
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/ A lot of staff in French
http://www.digitalfire.com/material/index.htm
and
http://www.digitalfire.com/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/links.htm
http://www.the-coa.org.uk/
And do not forget
http://www.potters.org/categories.htm The big library of Clayart
Than one day, when the peace will come. Give me a visit
>Ababi in Israel (they sing in the Eurovision song....
....Who loves the songs of Shakespeare plays and closes the TV when
the Eurovision is on!
>contest, so they must be "European Clayarters" too, no?
>Ababi also sources most of his materials
Ababi Sharon
Kibbutz Shoval- Israel
Glaze addict
ababisha@shoval.org.il
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
http://www.israelceramics.org/
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