L. P. Skeen on thu 29 nov 01
Karin,
Are you paying this price for each firing, or total?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Karin Abromaitis
To:
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Seems to me that charging by weight is alot easier. Just plunk it down on
the scale and there you go. Currently I'm paying $1.50/lbs to fire my cone
10 reduction work. Probably would charge less for cone 6 electric. Just my
2 cents. BTW howya doin'?
Karin Abromaitis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Kirkendall
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:39 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: firing costs for renters
Hello,
I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usage.
I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cents
a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Thanks.
Jonathan in DC
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L. P. Skeen on fri 30 nov 01
Ok, so to be clear, you have a mug that weighs 1 pound. YOu are paying 3.00
total for firing; 1.50 for bisque and 1.50 for glaze. Is that correct?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Karin Abromaitis
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Each time I fire with this person I pay her $1.50/lbs for my work. So yes,
when I fill her kiln 2/3's full of my work it'll cost me around $150 or so.
Weighing seems so much easier to me than measuring.
Karin A.
MaryBeth Bishop on fri 30 nov 01
Jonathon,
I pay by the cubic inch when I fire in another kiln and charge the same way
when I fire others pieces in my kilns. The top rate in Durham seems to be 1
1/2 cents per cubic inch. Our utilities in PA are so high I think your rate
is likely closer to accurate here. My thinking is that we are paying for the
space our work uses in the kiln. The weight idea strikes me as a bit absurd.
When I measure my work, I measure for the stack space a piece will require.
And I measure "before" firing.
I think we are all watching our pennies but I really have a problem with
people who try to skimp on paying for their firings. Once you buy and repair
a few kilns/furniture and so on you realize that standard firing fees are a
real bargain. I really appreciate people letting me fire in their kilns and
never want to feel I am taking advantage of their generosity. If a piece
isn't worth the cost of firing then it should have hit the scrap bucket. We
all have our disappointments come out of every firing but that's part of
learning.
Anyway, I hope I haven't started a rant here, but this is a bit of a pet
peeve with me.
If you have the space for some people to have their own kilns, that sometimes
works well. Send me a note off list if you are interested in knowing how
that worked in the studio where I used to be.
Mary Beth Bishop
Tony Ferguson on fri 30 nov 01
I charge my students $200 for an 8 week class--this includes instruction,
#25 of clay + all the glazes and firing costs--bisque for Raku and also the
final Raku firing. A good deal I think. Additional clay is purchased at
$20 (used to be $10) per #25--again, including all other costs.
Tony Ferguson, Duluth MN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kate Johnson"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
> Well, Jonathan,
>
> I am in no way qualified to answer about what _I_ charge, but I can tell
you
> what a good friend and longtime professional potter does--$3 a piece or
$15
> a shelf full. She has electric and gas kilns and didn't mention any
> differentiation. Seems reasonable...
>
> > I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln
> usage.
> > I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3
> cents
> > a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my
renters
> > recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those
of
> > you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
>
> Best--
> Kate
>
>
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Jonathan Kirkendall on fri 30 nov 01
Hello,
I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usage.
I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cents
a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Thanks.
Jonathan in DC
Kate Johnson on fri 30 nov 01
Well, Jonathan,
I am in no way qualified to answer about what _I_ charge, but I can tell you
what a good friend and longtime professional potter does--$3 a piece or $15
a shelf full. She has electric and gas kilns and didn't mention any
differentiation. Seems reasonable...
> I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln
usage.
> I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3
cents
> a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
> recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
> you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Best--
Kate
susan erickson on fri 30 nov 01
> I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln
> usage.
Hi Jonathan,
I rent my studio space from a tile manufacturer and pay for firing by the
kilnload. Costs are:
7 cu ft electric to ^05, $20
40 cu ft gas to ^05, $70
40 cu ft gas to ^10, $100.
The owner does not EVER mix his stuff with the renters, nor does he
organize the renters to share loads... he can't be bothered. We pay for a
full load whether its stuffed to the brim or 3/4 empty. All the renters
are part time in clay, so filling the gas kiln for cone 10 can take a while
for one person, and I'm not thrilled with the arrangement. If you are
indeed willing to load and charge for odd lots of ware, I would think a per
pound charge would be much faster to calculate.
Regards,
Susan
CINDI ANDERSON on fri 30 nov 01
Hi Jonathan
We have a webpage where people can sign up if they "rent" out their kiln (we call
it kiln timesharing.)
http://www.bigceramicstore.com/Information/kilntimesharing.htm If you click on the
"help in determining prices to charge" you will get a bunch of different people's
explanations of their pricing schemes. This was before the recent power cost
increases, so people's rates may have gone up, not sure. But there are more
different ways to charge than I had thought of!
If anybody wants to be listed, fill out the form. I get many emails a week from
people who want to do ceramics but don't have a kiln and can't afford to buy one.
So the first thing I do is send them to those listings to see if there is anyplace
in their area where they can fire.
Cindi
BigCeramicStore.com
----------
Jonathan Kirkendall wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usage.
> I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cents
> a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
> recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
> you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Karin Abromaitis on fri 30 nov 01
Seems to me that charging by weight is alot easier. Just plunk it down o=
n the scale and there you go. Currently I'm paying $1.50/lbs to fire my =
cone 10 reduction work. Probably would charge less for cone 6 electric. =
Just my 2 cents. BTW howya doin'?
Karin Abromaitis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Kirkendall
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:39 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: firing costs for renters
Hello,
I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usag=
e.
I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cen=
ts
a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those o=
f
you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Thanks.
Jonathan in DC
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Millie on fri 30 nov 01
hi
baltimore clayworks charges by the cubic inch. I think that it was .07 a cubic
inch, they also rent an entire kiln. you might want to check with Leigh Mickelson
taylor, (leigh.mickelson@baltimoreclayworks.org) she could give you the prices. I
don't know whether it would take more energy to fire a small heavy bowl or a large
thinly thrown one.
Millie in Md. taking time away from clay to sew a chanukkah menorah wall hanging
that you can put daily candles on because my son just realized that in the non
smoking dorms you aren't allowed to have an open flame and he doesn't want an
electric one. Nine days until a pyromaniacs favorite holiday!!
>
> I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usage.
> I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cents
> a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
> recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
> you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jonathan in DC
Michael Wendt on fri 30 nov 01
Jonathan,
I suggest you examine the work. If it is light weight and very thin, then
charge $0.04/ or $0.05/ cubic inch. If it is clunky and heavy, then charge
$3.00/ pound. You need to be sure that you don't lose money on the job and
heavy loads fire slower and take more power so they cost you more.
For reference, I fire other people's work for $0.04/ cubic inch to cone 10.
My pots cube to weight ratio yields $3.00/ lb so if they make pots lighter
than mine, I should charge by volume and if they make pots heavier than I
do, I should charge by weight.
Just a thought,
Michael Wendt
wendtpot@lewiston.com
You wrote:
I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usage.
I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cents
a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those of
you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Thanks.
Jonathan in DC
Regalos De Dios on sat 1 dec 01
Tony,
$200 for eight weeks of class is the cheapest rate I have seen. For my part
of the country this would be considered a true bargain.
Dorothy
Karin Abromaitis on sat 1 dec 01
Each time I fire with this person I pay her $1.50/lbs for my work. So ye=
s, when I fill her kiln 2/3's full of my work it'll cost me around $150 o=
r so. Weighing seems so much easier to me than measuring.
Karin A.
----- Original Message -----
From: L. P. Skeen
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:09 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Karin,
Are you paying this price for each firing, or total?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Karin Abromaitis
To:
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Seems to me that charging by weight is alot easier. Just plunk it down o=
n
the scale and there you go. Currently I'm paying $1.50/lbs to fire my co=
ne
10 reduction work. Probably would charge less for cone 6 electric. Just=
my
2 cents. BTW howya doin'?
Karin Abromaitis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Kirkendall
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:39 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: firing costs for renters
Hello,
I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usag=
e.
I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cen=
ts
a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those o=
f
you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
Thanks.
Jonathan in DC
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Tony Ferguson on sat 1 dec 01
It's the freakin midwest--we don't like to pay anything for art and art
making. We squeak when we walk!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Regalos De Dios"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
> Tony,
> $200 for eight weeks of class is the cheapest rate I have seen. For my
part
> of the country this would be considered a true bargain.
> Dorothy
>
>
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Steve Mills on sat 1 dec 01
Jonathan,
we operate a firing service at Bath Potters, and we charge by volume. We
have one basic charge for each kiln, to any temperature. The charge per
customer is worked out according to the volume of the kiln they have
occupied. As far as the actual charges go we took the actual costs of a
firing to about 1200 degrees centigrade, calculated a figure for wear
and tear, and added a percentage for profit. The only time we change
these calculations is when a particularly dense piece of work needs to
be fired over a longer period of time than usual.
Steve
BPS
Bath
UK
In message , Jonathan Kirkendall writes
>Hello,
>
>I'm wondering what other's thoughts are on charging someone for kiln usag=
>e.
>I have two or three folks who use my studio, and I've been charging 3 cen=
>ts
>a cubic inch for firing to cone 6 in my electric kiln. One of my renters
>recently suggested that I charge by WEIGHT, so I'm wondering, for those o=
>f
>you who fire pieces for others, what and how you charge.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jonathan in DC
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
Karin Abromaitis on sun 2 dec 01
Sorry for the confusion. I do the bisque firing at home-$12.00 for the w=
hole kiln full. The cone 10 glaze firing is $1.50/lbs. I add the cost t=
o the piece-my cone 6 work is usually priced a bit lower. Hope that clar=
ifies.
Karin
----- Original Message -----
From: L. P. Skeen
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:12 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Ok, so to be clear, you have a mug that weighs 1 pound. YOu are paying 3=
.00
total for firing; 1.50 for bisque and 1.50 for glaze. Is that correct?
L
----- Original Message -----
From: Karin Abromaitis
Subject: Re: firing costs for renters
Each time I fire with this person I pay her $1.50/lbs for my work. So ye=
s,
when I fill her kiln 2/3's full of my work it'll cost me around $150 or s=
o.
Weighing seems so much easier to me than measuring.
Karin A.
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H.M. Buchanan on sun 2 dec 01
Wow ! I'll confess to being adicted to clay and would surely pay to do it
if I weren't making money. But at those prices it could get more expensive
than drugs. On the benefit side, I bet you learn quickly to toss those bad
pots.
Judi Buchanan
> Ok, so to be clear, you have a mug that weighs 1 pound. YOu are paying
3.00
> total for firing; 1.50 for bisque and 1.50 for glaze. Is that correct?
> Each time I fire with this person I pay her $1.50/lbs for my work. So
yes,
> when I fill her kiln 2/3's full of my work it'll cost me around $150 or
so.
> Weighing seems so much easier to me than measuring.
> Karin A.
Maid O'Mud on sun 2 dec 01
In that same spot, I can place a mug that retails for $20-$25. I think $3
(total firing costs) is just fine! Renting space out to others when you
own/maintain/pay the electricity is a trade off between helping someone else
learn and not losing your shirt.
From: "H.M. Buchanan
> Wow ! I'll confess to being adicted to clay and would surely pay to do
it
> if I weren't making money. But at those prices it could get more expensive
> than drugs. On the benefit side, I bet you learn quickly to toss those
bad
> pots.
> Judi Buchanan
>
>
>
> > Ok, so to be clear, you have a mug that weighs 1 pound. YOu are paying
> 3.00
> > total for firing; 1.50 for bisque and 1.50 for glaze. Is that correct?
>
> > Each time I fire with this person I pay her $1.50/lbs for my work. So
> yes,
> > when I fill her kiln 2/3's full of my work it'll cost me around $150 or
> so.
> > Weighing seems so much easier to me than measuring.
> > Karin A.
>
>
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