Russel Fouts on mon 10 dec 01
Ivor,
>> Costless as Drain Oil is, and fascinating as the results it gives may be, discarded sump oil is an environmental hazard when fired in a potter's kiln. A kiln fired with this fuel will discharge a plume of heavy metal residues and spew it over the surrounding countryside. It is also feasible, though I have no valid evidence other than the word of the manager of the toxic collection unit in our State, that at low kiln (KilN, did you hear that! ! !.From the French speakers I think you will hear Kil) <<
French speakers say Four. ;-)
>> and flame temperatures its effluent may contain Dioxins. <<
Good point, we were using drain oil back in the '70's when people were
really unaware of the environmental and health issues.
>> I hope the suggestion is deleted from the next reprint of the book. <<
It's being reprinted?!
Russel
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Russel Fouts on tue 11 dec 01
Marcia,
>> Dennis Parks has been using oil from the fryers of fast food restaurants from Elko NV. He lives in an old ghost town of Tuscarora 50 miles north of Elko. No much there.. <<
Then he'd LOVE Belgium, where the deep fat frier RULES!
Maybe I should look into that? ;-)
Then Marcia had some other questions, comments in case anyone wants to
have a go.
>> Another person, Bill Weaver, (deceased) used a charcoal filter system for recycled drain oil. Does this filter out some of the heavy metals? Would the recycled drain oil be less hazardous after being fired then when the used oil is discarded? I don't know. What did Ivor mean by "low kiln" , the beginning temperatures? <<
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it will instantly disappear and be
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Russel Fouts on fri 14 dec 01
Robert
>> Firing with drain oil : You do not start the firing with drain oil but start with lighter grades of petrolium products such as ( karosene, paint thinner, diesel, and stove oils, etc.) then when the the temp. is high enough you then intro the drain oil which then burns much cleaner . This will also keep the neighbors from calling the eco. police. I have never tried this myself but a friend does. When I was trying to decide what type of fuel to use in my new kiln I was exploring all possibilities, oil seem to be to much of a hassel so I have decided on propane. While attending a workshop at Archie Bray they have an oil fired burner system that
is a drip system of 4 burners, as the kiln gets to a high enough
temperature (I don't know what that is) valves are turned on allowing
the oil to drip onto hot bricks where it ignites and the firing
continues using oil as fuel. <<
That's exactly what we did when I was in school, except we started with
a small wood fire in the firebox. Once the firebox got hot enough to
readily ignite the oil and keep it lit, we stopped stoking. It didn't
take very much.
Russel
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m markey on sun 16 dec 01
Hi Russel and Everybody!
I think Dennis Parks may still be using old car oil. Nevada, a state with
more land than people, has few air and ground quality standards in its rural
areas.
I doubt he could obtain drain oil in some states, since a special license
and permits galore would be necessary. In California, for instance, one
would need not only a permit to transport used oil on state roads, but the
user's kiln would no doubt need to conform to strict air-quality standards.
Recycled griddle grease might not require a permit to obtain and transport,
but the smoke is still considered "hazardous."
Best wishes!
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
Cold and breezy in Yucca Valley, CA
----Original Message Follows----
From: Russel Fouts
Marcia,
>> Dennis Parks has been using oil from the fryers of fast food restaurants
from Elko NV. He lives in an old ghost town of Tuscarora 50 miles north of
Elko. No much there.. <<
Then he'd LOVE Belgium, where the deep fat frier RULES!
Maybe I should look into that? ;-)
Then Marcia had some other questions, comments in case anyone wants to
have a go.
>> Another person, Bill Weaver, (deceased) used a charcoal filter system
for recycled drain oil. Does this filter out some of the heavy metals? Would
the recycled drain oil be less hazardous after being fired then when the
used oil is discarded? I don't know. What did Ivor mean by "low kiln" , the
beginning temperatures? <<
Russel
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Marcia Selsor on sun 16 dec 01
Dennis might use the drain oil in a later state of firing. I can't say.
He did use to use the car oil. I do know he does use discarded fast food
frying oil from the big city of Elko, NV. 50 miles from his house and
where he does his grocery shopping. They save it for him. They're happy
to give it to him.
His new book, "Living in the country growing weird [a deep rural
adventure] has just been published by the University of Nevada.
Marcia Selsor in Montana
m markey wrote:
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> Hi Russel and Everybody!
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> I think Dennis Parks may still be using old car oil. Nevada, a state wi=
th
> more land than people, has few air and ground quality standards in its =
rural
> areas.
>=20
> I doubt he could obtain drain oil in some states, since a special licen=
se
> and permits galore would be necessary. In California, for instance, one
> would need not only a permit to transport used oil on state roads, but =
the
> user's kiln would no doubt need to conform to strict air-quality standa=
rds.
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> Recycled griddle grease might not require a permit to obtain and transp=
ort,
> but the smoke is still considered "hazardous."
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> Best wishes!
>=20
> Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
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> Cold and breezy in Yucca Valley, CA
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> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Russel Fouts >=20
> Marcia,
>=20
> >> Dennis Parks has been using oil from the fryers of fast food restau=
rants
> from Elko NV. He lives in an old ghost town of Tuscarora 50 miles north=
of
> Elko. No much there.. <<
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> Then he'd LOVE Belgium, where the deep fat frier RULES!
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> Maybe I should look into that? ;-)
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> Then Marcia had some other questions, comments in case anyone wants to
> have a go.
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em
> for recycled drain oil. Does this filter out some of the heavy metals? =
Would
> the recycled drain oil be less hazardous after being fired then when th=
e
> used oil is discarded? I don't know. What did Ivor mean by "low kiln" ,=
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> beginning temperatures? <<
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GlassyClass on mon 17 dec 01
Not sure if this would be of any interest,
I was reading a webpage the other day about making your own Bio-Diesel, and
using it as fuel for running a Diesel engine. Let me see if I can find a
link.(do not have any connection to any of these sites or products)
GrassRoots Biodiesel Homepage
Alternative Fuels from Vegetable Oil
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Biodiesel is a clean burning fuel which runs in any unmodified diesel
engine. This fuel is an environmentally-friendly alternative to the higher
emission petroleum diesel used in large transport vehicles and some cars and
trucks. In addition, biodiesel can be made from renewable resources such as
vegetable oil or animal fat and even from used cooking oil, an abundant
waste product.
Biodiesel is currently being manufactured large scale by a few large
companies but can also be made on a small scale with simple technology. We
hope to be a clearinghouse for biodiesel information, especially the
information, skills and technology necessary for making it on a small scale.
http://www.dancingrabbit.org/biodiesel/
http://www.uidaho.edu/bae/biodiesel/
Quality Fuel Production and Support of the Over-the-Road Operational
Demonstration
http://www.uidaho.edu/~cpetersn/bioenergy98/index.htm
The Official Site of the National Biodiesel Board
3337A Emerald Lane . Jefferson City, Missouri 65110-4898 . (573) 635-3893
http://www.biodiesel.org/
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=biodiesel&num=100
Sincerely,
Bud Britt
Tustin, CA, USA
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http://www.homestead.com/glassyclass/
----- Original Message -----
From: "m markey"
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Firing with Oil
Hi Russel and Everybody!
I think Dennis Parks may still be using old car oil. Nevada, a state with
more land than people, has few air and ground quality standards in its rural
areas.
I doubt he could obtain drain oil in some states, since a special license
and permits galore would be necessary. In California, for instance, one
would need not only a permit to transport used oil on state roads, but the
user's kiln would no doubt need to conform to strict air-quality standards.
Recycled griddle grease might not require a permit to obtain and transport,
but the smoke is still considered "hazardous."
Best wishes!
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
Cold and breezy in Yucca Valley, CA
m markey on mon 17 dec 01
Thanks, Marcia, for the update about Dennis Parks, and the new book. I'll
look for it.
In his book that discussed oil firing, Dennis says he pre-heated the kiln to
about 400 degrees F, with propane. Oil becomes flammable at this point. He
quickly lit the oil burner, then turned off the propane. I recall he used
some sort of filter, to extract the metals and other non-flammables from the
fuel, as he refilled his kiln fuel tanks.
Not only do restaurants in Elko support Dennis, but so do the auto shops!
Best wishes!
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
Just finished decorating the Joshua Tree out front--I can't wait to see it
lit up tonight.
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