Fredrick Paget on wed 26 dec 01
>he/she wamterto know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =
>ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
>I am of portugal.
>
>my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
Perhaps this is what you want to say?
>I would like to know where I can buy an emulsion sensitive to the
>ultra violet to do photoceramic decals.
If so you can get commercial film used in graphic arts to copy images using
an arc light for illumination.
Do you want a film or a liquid emulsion? Try silk screen suppliers for the
liquid.
Please rephrase your message.as it does not make sense in the English.
Escribe en portugues.
Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
Fotoceramica on wed 26 dec 01
he/she wamter to know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =
ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
I am of portugal.
my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
Fredrick Paget on thu 27 dec 01
With my poor portugues and 2 portuguese dictionaries I translate this as:
Thank you for your quick response. I am trying to get a liquid emulsion
that is sensitive to ultra violet to hold powdered ceramic stain in place.I
understand that Kodak made, for many years, an emulsion called Cermifax
but has stopped making it. I also understand that there is an emulsion (?
probimer ?) made by Ciba-Geigey for photographs. I make photographs on
porcelain for the cemetaries. I have a very complicated process and would
like to get a much simpler one and I ask your advice. I await your reply.
Again many thanks for your quick response.
My email: fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
CAN ANYONE HELP THIS GENTLEMAN?
=46red Paget
> obrigado pela vossa r=E1pida resposta. eu ando =E1 procura de uma emuls=
=E3o
>liquida sensivel a raios >ultra violeta para fazer agarrar tinta ceramica
>em p=F3. consegui saber que a kodak comercializou =E1 >muitos anos uma
>emuls=E3o chamada cermifax mas j=E1 acabou. e agora consegui saber que =E1 =
quem
>fa=E7a >com a emuls=E3o probimer da ciba-geigey as fotografias. eu fa=E7o
>fotografias em porcelana para os >cemit=E9rios. eu tenho um processo muito
>complicado e gostava de arranjar um mais simples,e pedia a >vossa ajuda.
>fico a aguardar a vossa resposta. mais uma vez muito obrigado pela vossa
>r=E1pida >resposta. meu email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>he/she wamterto know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =3D
>>ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
>>I am of portugal.
>>
>>my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>......
>>Please rephrase your message.as it does not make sense in the English.
>>Escribe en portugues.{write in Portugues}
>>Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
Richard Jeffery on thu 27 dec 01
if it helps, we're talking transfers/decals here, I think...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Fredrick Paget
Sent: 27 December 2001 06:14
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: probimer photo sensitive
>he/she wamterto know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =
>ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
>I am of portugal.
>
>my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
Perhaps this is what you want to say?
>I would like to know where I can buy an emulsion sensitive to the
>ultra violet to do photoceramic decals.
If so you can get commercial film used in graphic arts to copy images using
an arc light for illumination.
Do you want a film or a liquid emulsion? Try silk screen suppliers for the
liquid.
Please rephrase your message.as it does not make sense in the English.
Escribe en portugues.
Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
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GlassyClass on fri 28 dec 01
Maybe if you have him translate his language into english at this site, it
would help you to help him.
http://www.freetranslation.com/default.htm?tab=text
Or at this one
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
What it seems in the email he is wanting to do, is create decals or print
onto ceramic then fire it, using photographs as the master.
Would seem that he wants to make a negative of the photograph, then make a
positive on a decal type medium, which he then could fire onto a ceramic
burial urn, or other ceramic products.
Searching for "fotoceramica", came up with quite a few sites that put
photographs onto ceramics.
http://www.artigiani.vi.it/benvenuti/homepage.htm
http://www.fotoceramicacosta.it/index.htm
Probimer is a solder masking product, for masking off areas of a electronic
circuit board from accepting solder when wave soldered. About all I can
figure that he might have used it for, would be masking areas to not be
exposed when exposed to ultra violet light when making a screen for inks.
Perhaps using it for each color plate, then meshing the plates and firing.
Another way of looking at the problem would be Ink/Dye Sublimation or
Transfer Printing. Although this would take them away from the electronics
materials, unless they were using the conductive inks.
Perhaps you might direct him to research this.
http://www.studioarts.co.uk/localartistdirectory/stuartroberts.htm
http://www.uiah.fi/research/register/reijo54e.html
Reijonen, Olli
Multilayer screen printing on ceramics.
Ceramic and Glass Design
www.uwe.ac.uk/research/cfpr/scott.pdf
http://www.in-print.org.uk/essays/scott-ess.shtml
http://www.grzybowski-kg.com/enggrzyb/historye.htm
And on a side note, if they had a process that worked, only now wants one
that is simpler to implement (only needing more common materials, perhaps a
loss of sources of materials, yes I know Gertsy B.), Probimer is manfactured
by many companies, it is not a product that is hard to get. Perhaps, if they
researched other suppliers, they could find a new source.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fredrick Paget"
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: probimer photo sensitive
With my poor portugues and 2 portuguese dictionaries I translate this as:
Thank you for your quick response. I am trying to get a liquid emulsion
that is sensitive to ultra violet to hold powdered ceramic stain in place.I
understand that Kodak made, for many years, an emulsion called Cermifax
but has stopped making it. I also understand that there is an emulsion (?
probimer ?) made by Ciba-Geigey for photographs. I make photographs on
porcelain for the cemetaries. I have a very complicated process and would
like to get a much simpler one and I ask your advice. I await your reply.
Again many thanks for your quick response.
My email: fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
CAN ANYONE HELP THIS GENTLEMAN?
Fred Paget
> obrigado pela vossa rápida resposta. eu ando á procura de uma emulsão
>liquida sensivel a raios >ultra violeta para fazer agarrar tinta ceramica
>em pó. consegui saber que a kodak comercializou á >muitos anos uma
>emulsão chamada cermifax mas já acabou. e agora consegui saber que á quem
>faça >com a emulsão probimer da ciba-geigey as fotografias. eu faço
>fotografias em porcelana para os >cemitérios. eu tenho um processo muito
>complicado e gostava de arranjar um mais simples,e pedia a >vossa ajuda.
>fico a aguardar a vossa resposta. mais uma vez muito obrigado pela vossa
>rápida >resposta. meu email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>he/she wamterto know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =
>>ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
>>I am of portugal.
>>
>>my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>......
>>Please rephrase your message.as it does not make sense in the English.
>>Escribe en portugues.{write in Portugues}
>>Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
Richard Jeffery on fri 28 dec 01
looks like a pretty good translation to my mind - the following web page
from SilverPrint (UK) might help. SilverPrint are one of the major UK
professional suppliers/wholesalers. They do mail order, but minimum order
value is £25. There is a downloadable catalogue in acrobat pdf format if
you hunt around.
it would be useful to know if we are talking black and white, or colour?
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc1.html
I have heard of similar products, but can't find any trace at present - I'll
keep looking.
Richard
Bournemouth UK
www.TheEleventhHour.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Fredrick Paget
Sent: 28 December 2001 05:37
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: probimer photo sensitive
With my poor portugues and 2 portuguese dictionaries I translate this as:
Thank you for your quick response. I am trying to get a liquid emulsion
that is sensitive to ultra violet to hold powdered ceramic stain in place.I
understand that Kodak made, for many years, an emulsion called Cermifax
but has stopped making it. I also understand that there is an emulsion (?
probimer ?) made by Ciba-Geigey for photographs. I make photographs on
porcelain for the cemetaries. I have a very complicated process and would
like to get a much simpler one and I ask your advice. I await your reply.
Again many thanks for your quick response.
My email: fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
CAN ANYONE HELP THIS GENTLEMAN?
Fred Paget
> obrigado pela vossa rápida resposta. eu ando á procura de uma emulsão
>liquida sensivel a raios >ultra violeta para fazer agarrar tinta ceramica
>em pó. consegui saber que a kodak comercializou á >muitos anos uma
>emulsão chamada cermifax mas já acabou. e agora consegui saber que á quem
>faça >com a emulsão probimer da ciba-geigey as fotografias. eu faço
>fotografias em porcelana para os >cemitérios. eu tenho um processo muito
>complicado e gostava de arranjar um mais simples,e pedia a >vossa ajuda.
>fico a aguardar a vossa resposta. mais uma vez muito obrigado pela vossa
>rápida >resposta. meu email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>he/she wamterto know where can buy the emulsion sensitive probimer the =
>>ultra violet to do photoceramic in decalces.
>>I am of portugal.
>>
>>my email : fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>>......
>>Please rephrase your message.as it does not make sense in the English.
>>Escribe en portugues.{write in Portugues}
>>Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
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Richard Jeffery on fri 28 dec 01
there is a brush on emulsion that can then be exposed and developed just as
darkroom print paper. not sure whether the web page I forwarded was that or
something similar. I also don't know how permanent the process is.
in UK, some developing companies offer to print colour on plates and mugs,
but I suspect that is a transfer process - looks nasty, so haven't looked. -
but I will now.
http://www.rockaloid.com/
http://www.rockaloid.com/products.html#liquid are interesting
let me know if you hear any more details
regards
Richard
PS Probimer seems to be used in the manufacture of semi-conductors...
-----Original Message-----
From: Fredrick Paget [mailto:fredrick@well.com]
Sent: 28 December 2001 18:14
To: richard.jeffery@theeleventhhour.co.uk
Subject: Re: probimer photo sensitive
Richard,
I am pretty sure that we are talking only black and white.
I saw some of these images when I was in Italy last May with the Martha
Selsor workshop. They are fine screen halftones on glazed porcelain blanks
and are displayed outdoors on grave markers and memorials. The ones I saw
were small - only 3 inches high - but had fine tone gradition.
I have corresponded with a gentleman in Romania who makes 50 of these a
week, he says and for ten dollars US each, so they are almost a commodity.
He says the customers want black and white.
I don't know exactly how they do this process but suspect it is a
derivitive of the gum-bichromate process of antiquity.
Fred Paget
>looks like a pretty good translation to my mind - the following web page
>from SilverPrint (UK) might help. SilverPrint are one of the major UK
>professional suppliers/wholesalers. They do mail order, but minimum order
>value is £25. There is a downloadable catalogue in acrobat pdf format if
>you hunt around.
>
>it would be useful to know if we are talking black and white, or colour?
>
>http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc1.html
>
>I have heard of similar products, but can't find any trace at present -
I'll
>keep looking.
>
>
>Richard
>Bournemouth UK
>www.TheEleventhHour.co.uk
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
>Behalf Of Fredrick Paget
>Sent: 28 December 2001 05:37
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: probimer photo sensitive
>
>
>With my poor portugues and 2 portuguese dictionaries I translate this as:
>
>Thank you for your quick response. I am trying to get a liquid emulsion
>that is sensitive to ultra violet to hold powdered ceramic stain in place.I
>understand that Kodak made, for many years, an emulsion called Cermifax
>but has stopped making it. I also understand that there is an emulsion (?
>probimer ?) made by Ciba-Geigey for photographs. I make photographs on
>porcelain for the cemetaries. I have a very complicated process and would
>like to get a much simpler one and I ask your advice. I await your reply.
>Again many thanks for your quick response.
> My email: fotoceramica.aurindo@oninet.pt
>
>CAN ANYONE HELP THIS GENTLEMAN?
>Fred Paget
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
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