jenniverre on wed 2 jan 02
I'm basically a lurker on this list but have learned enormous amounts from
reading. Many thanks to all of you for sharing.
Marianne, I understand that paint retailers like Sherwin Williams sell
empty paint buckets with lids. Have you tried them?
A question about winter raku if I may...... why is it necessary to warm the
propane tank before/when firing? We use propane for some of our household
heating. The tank is situated outside the house (in Northern Vermont ), and
we don't have any concerns about warming the tank.
Jennifer Buckner
Jennifer G. Buckner jenniverre@pgtv.net
Marianne Lombardo on wed 2 jan 02
Hi Jennifer;
I did buy a metal small paint pail with a lid, from Home Depot, but I wasn't
sure if metal was alright to use to store glazes. That's why I was looking
for plastic. We don't have a Sherwin Williams but it's probably similar to
our Home Depot.
I'll see if I can find out if metal is okay to use.
Thanks for your reply.
Marianne Lombardo
Omemee, Ontario, Canada
>
> Marianne, I understand that paint retailers like Sherwin Williams sell
> empty paint buckets with lids. Have you tried them?
>
Marcia Selsor on wed 2 jan 02
Your propane tank is probably no smaller than 100 gallons and more
likely 500 gal. Portable raku tanks are usually 25 gallons. This smaller
surface area for the vaporizing of the gas is the reason for the
potential freezing. If the vapors are sucked off too fast the freezing happens.
Best wishes from Montana
Marcia
jenniverre wrote:
>
> I'm basically a lurker on this list but have learned enormous amounts from
> reading. Many thanks to all of you for sharing.
>
> Marianne, I understand that paint retailers like Sherwin Williams sell
> empty paint buckets with lids. Have you tried them?
>
> A question about winter raku if I may...... why is it necessary to warm the
> propane tank before/when firing? We use propane for some of our household
> heating. The tank is situated outside the house (in Northern Vermont ), and
> we don't have any concerns about warming the tank.
>
> Jennifer Buckner
> Jennifer G. Buckner jenniverre@pgtv.net
>
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Christena Schafale on wed 2 jan 02
Marianne,
I have gotten nice 2 gallon (and 5 gallon) buckets with lids by going to my
local grocery store bakery and asking for the buckets that pre-made icings
and donut glazes come in. You may have to develop a relationship with them
and keep going back and asking every few days in order to talk them into
keeping the buckets for you, but the buckets are great. I even have one
that says "Magic Glaze" on the side, which I thought was fun.
Chris
At 09:26 AM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Jennifer;
>
>I did buy a metal small paint pail with a lid, from Home Depot, but I wasn't
>sure if metal was alright to use to store glazes. That's why I was looking
>for plastic. We don't have a Sherwin Williams but it's probably similar to
>our Home Depot.
>
>I'll see if I can find out if metal is okay to use.
>
>Thanks for your reply.
>
>Marianne Lombardo
>Omemee, Ontario, Canada
>
> >
> > Marianne, I understand that paint retailers like Sherwin Williams sell
> > empty paint buckets with lids. Have you tried them?
> >
>
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Alan D. Scott on wed 2 jan 02
> A question about winter raku if I may...... why is it
> necessary to warm the propane tank before/when firing?
> We use propane for some of our household heating.
> The tank is situated outside the house (in Northern
> Vermont ), and we don't have any concerns about
> warming the tank.
Propane turns from a liquid to a gas (it boils) at -44oF. To keep it a
liquid at room temperature, it must be compressed. The propane in your tank
at +70oF is compressed to 127 PSI. The tank has liquid on the bottom and
gas on top. The valve takes gas from the top of the tank. As gas is
removed, the pressure drops, allowing some of the liquid propane to "boil"
until the pressure returns to 127 PSI. Just like boiling water on a stove,
it takes heat to boil propane. As long as the tank is above -44oF, there is
enough "heat" available to boil the propane. HOWEVER, the faster you take
gas out of the tank, the faster the propane must boil to keep the pressure
up. If there's not enough heat on the tank (i.e. raku firing at -20oF) the
propane can't boil fast enough to keep up with all the gas you are using.
Your big propane tank for household heating was designed to supply you with
plenty of gas for normal household heating and cooking.
The solutions:
1) As noted in another post, keep the propane tanks in lukewarm water.
2) Get a bigger propane tank (one designed to provide the amount of gas at
the temperature you will use it). Your LP dealer can help you figure out
which tank you need.
3) Put two or more LP tanks in parallel to give you the required gas output.
As always, remember: safety first. Don't play with propane tanks and
fittings unless you know what you're doing.
Have a happy AND SAFE New Year!
Alan
Marvpots@AOL.COM on wed 2 jan 02
Hi Marianne:
Try Dunkin Donuts or any other active donut making place ; they receive
their fillings in good, sealable (with tight lids) buckets, usually in two
sizes, I believe one gallon and four gallon sizes and they will either give
you the buckets free or charge something very nominal.
I've been getting mine for several years from the YUM YUM donot shop in
Hntingdon Pennsylvania; the latest purchase, of 6 small buckets and six
large buckets cost me a total of $4 US; after washing them carefully, they
are like new.
Good luck and let me (and the list) know how you make out.
All the best.
Marvin Flowerman
marvpots@aol.com
Tim Lynch on wed 2 jan 02
At one time I got all the buckets I needed, complete with lids, from the
bakery dept of one of the local food stores. I got so many that I haven't
been back for five years.
Tim
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On 1/2/02 6:26 AM, "Marianne Lombardo" wrote:
> Hi Jennifer;
>
> I did buy a metal small paint pail with a lid, from Home Depot, but I wasn't
> sure if metal was alright to use to store glazes. That's why I was looking
> for plastic. We don't have a Sherwin Williams but it's probably similar to
> our Home Depot.
>
> I'll see if I can find out if metal is okay to use.
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Marianne Lombardo
> Omemee, Ontario, Canada
>
>>
>> Marianne, I understand that paint retailers like Sherwin Williams sell
>> empty paint buckets with lids. Have you tried them?
>>
>
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potterybydai on wed 2 jan 02
Jennifer said: "We use propane for some of our household
> heating. The tank is situated outside the house (in Northern >Vermont ),
and we don't have any concerns about warming the >tank."
Hi, Jennifer - We don't experience any problem with our tank freezing up
when we do raku, even at -10 C. or more, but it's because we have a huge
tank, probably much like your house tank. The problem arises when people
use a smaller tank (like for BBQs or even bigger, which is what we use for
our portable raku kiln)---the propane comes out of the tank at a much faster
rate, proportionately, than in a bigger tank, and because the gas is colder
than hell, it freezes up the tank (or something like that---I'm sure you'll
get a more expert answer). If you can't afford a really big tank for raku,
you can alleviate the problem somewhat by using 2 BBQ tanks
simultaneously---you need to get a hose that attaches to both tanks but
flows out of a single hose (to the burner), sort of a harness thing. This,
then, decreases the outflow of the gas in each tank by half, so they aren't
as likely to freeze up. You can get this hose at an RV parts dealer---at
least that's where we found one for a friend a few years ago.
Dai inKelowna, BC
"Never put off until tomorrow that which can be avoided altogether."
attributed to Ann Landers
m markey on sat 5 jan 02
You can find a number of new plaxtic pail sellers, manufacturers, and other
buinesses, by visiting www.Google.com. Enter "plastic pails" and voila!
Several pages of listings of big buckets, little buckets, buckets for this
and that. Some listings are from Canadian firms, too.
Best wishes!
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
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