Tom Buck on wed 2 jan 02
Ron & John, others:
Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
While Clayart is NOT public domain, all too many members of the
Forum treat it as if it were. And that simply detracts from my urge to
help in ways I can.
I went to the archives in 2001 and was totally upset by what I
found: namely, that since 1995, when I joined Clayart, I have posted more
than 200 items of a technical nature mostly, and these items are freely
available to anyone who knows how to pose the right search question. So
how can I make use of these items in a book? Might be a hard sell to
entice a publisher to take on the printing of such a book.
Let's us examine the situation with Mike Bailery's new book.
Friend Tak & I bought Mike's book (and Steven B's new Raku book, 2nd
edition). So, I have done a first run-through. And I am convinced that Mr
Bailey's book will soon emerge as a first choice for students and newbies
to learn all about glaze-designing methods. But in the next while before
the word spreads, this book (easy-to-read and understand) will sell
largely on its recipes that Mike (& David Hewitt too) carefully designed
and checked out. The recipes are in a sense copyrighted and not one of us
should do anything to make them public in the Clayart manner.
The same situation applies to John/Ron's new book, also a
compendium of Cone 6 glazes, with an even stronger reason for keeping the
recipes "private", namely, the great care that the authors have taken to
a) make sure the glazes fit a range of claybodies, and b) that they
are stable, that is, the mixes make good glass, and c) the test pots have
been thoroughly checked to ensure the glazes designed for food-ware do not
release any toxic substances at a level that could be harmful in daily
use. This information on toxicity makes the price of the book equal to a
very low-cost insurance policy.
The studio pottery field needs dedicated people (like R&J, and MB)
to enlighten us in the many aspects of pot-making, to halt the spread of
mis-information that still persists.
I plead with all Clayarters to honour copyrighted material, and
avoid any inadvertent posting of it from books or wherever.
Let's hope we have a great Year 2002. Peace. Tom.
Tom Buck ) tel: 905-389-2339
(westend Lake Ontario, province of Ontario, Canada).
mailing address: 373 East 43rd Street,
Hamilton ON L8T 3E1 Canada
Lee Love on thu 3 jan 02
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Buck"
> Ron & John, others:
> Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
> preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
So, you are here simply to take? :^) I post some things here
because I am planning on writing a book in the future. I am working on a
literary/philosophical endeavor, not a technical one, so that might make a
difference.
I believe that the free sharing of information helps everyone. I also
believe that all material should be attributed to its source. If limited
parts of published work are quoted and attributed here, it is an advertisement
for the published work.
> Cone 6 glazes, with an even stronger reason for keeping the
>recipes "private", namely, the great care that the authors have taken --
I don't know how important this is. In many books, glazes are
republished from other sources and the author has not personally done any
testing for body fit or toxicity. Many glazes in periodicals are presented in
this way too.
Lee Love
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Khaimraj Seepersad on thu 3 jan 02
Hello to All ,
[ just this minute returning to the Internet]
Tom ,
at this moment in time many Traditional Painters
[ classically trained - 19th Century French to
say Da Vinci ] are realising just what you have
stated.
I have since dropped off the Fine Art lists as
[ Much to Janet's joy ] , the world is returning to
the Traditional [ though in contemporary form ]
and there are too many wanting the knowledge
for free and the worst levels of commercial usage.
I make no money off of Pottery , working at under
983 deg.c , in Egyptian Paste , Un Egyptian Paste
and a Vitreous [ through internal glass bonding ]
body. My glazes and enamels are specifically
designed for my bodies and their peculiar expansions.
They are private formulas.
I receive quiet requests for E.Paste help , every now
and then , usually responding by giving a base recipe
which can be improved , to an individual's need.
This Glaze Issue is a real Pandora's box , because
most glazes are variations of older glazes and if one
cannot discuss individual problems , making note of
the glaze , then you have to seek private consultation.
Glazes listed as Oxides only , impurities would be
ignored and possibly unique structures existing in natural
mixtures [ feldspars , micas etc. ].
I often wondered what would happen when writers of
Pottery books , looked at all the potential sales lost
by free exchange on the Web. Also , what happens if
the demand [ people asking questions on lists ] ,
suddenly dried up.
Sort of like Master Fine Artists wondering what happens
to their individual quality , and hopes of opening Studios
/ Ateliers , if the pubic have been trained to expect only
Free Information.
Suggestions of Books to read at Libraries [ free reading ]
are presently being ignored , it is easiest to try an pick
some well meaning , but naive Old Painters head.
Information and services , it's what's on the table.
Best to you .
Khaimraj
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Buck
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Date: 02 January 2002 21:18
Subject: Posting Recipes from New Books
>Ron & John, others:
> Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
>preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
> While Clayart is NOT public domain, all too many members of the
>Forum treat it as if it were. And that simply detracts from my urge to
>help in ways I can.
> I went to the archives in 2001 and was totally upset by what I
>found: namely, that since 1995, when I joined Clayart, I have posted more
>than 200 items of a technical nature mostly, and these items are freely
>available to anyone who knows how to pose the right search question. So
>how can I make use of these items in a book? Might be a hard sell to
>entice a publisher to take on the printing of such a book.
> Let's us examine the situation with Mike Bailery's new book.
>Friend Tak & I bought Mike's book (and Steven B's new Raku book, 2nd
>edition).
> I plead with all Clayarters to honour copyrighted material, and
>avoid any inadvertent posting of it from books or wherever.
> Let's hope we have a great Year 2002. Peace. Tom.
>
>Tom Buck ) tel: 905-389-2339
>(westend Lake Ontario, province of Ontario, Canada).
>mailing address: 373 East 43rd Street,
> Hamilton ON L8T 3E1 Canada
vince pitelka on thu 3 jan 02
> From: "Tom Buck"
> Ron & John, others:
> Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
> preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
Tom -
This surprises me. You have always been generous and accommodating when it
comes to sharing information, and I would hate to see that change now. I am
surprised that you think that your past contributions to this list might
have a negative effect on the potential sales of a future book. In fact,
your generosity in contributing information to Clayart will certainly make
your book a much greater success. On the other hand, if you withhold
information from Clayart now in order to make your book more saleable, the
strategy may well backfire on you. In fact, I am very surprised that you
would admit that you are doing this, because it seems contrary to the spirit
of this list.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Wanda Holmes on thu 3 jan 02
Tom, knowing that much of the information in your book was also in the
archives would not discourage me from buying your book one little bit. In
your book I would presume that the information is organized and presented in
a narrative context designed to thoroughly treat a topic from introduction
to some complete level of depth. I would expect the book to have charts,
graphs, diagrams, pictures, etc. I would expect the book to have a good
index. I would know that I could take your book outside to a comfortable
chair in a warm spot and read in the spring sunshine. I would know that I
could have the book in the studio for immediate reference at any time. I
could take it to lunch with a fellow artist. I would be confident that
having found some piece of information once that I could easily find it
again.
To use the information in the archives I have to be at the computer, I have
to search for it (not always a timely or completely sucessful endeavor), and
I have to put all the parts together myself, not ever really knowing if I
have gathered all the relevant information or not. The archives are
valuable, useful, and important. They have their place. But a book is a
BOOK.
Wanda
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Tom Buck
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:57 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Posting Recipes from New Books
Ron & John, others:
Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
While Clayart is NOT public domain, all too many members of the
Forum treat it as if it were. And that simply detracts from my urge to
help in ways I can.
I went to the archives in 2001 and was totally upset by what I
found: namely, that since 1995, when I joined Clayart, I have posted more
than 200 items of a technical nature mostly, and these items are freely
available to anyone who knows how to pose the right search question. So
how can I make use of these items in a book? Might be a hard sell to
entice a publisher to take on the printing of such a book.
Let's us examine the situation with Mike Bailery's new book.
Friend Tak & I bought Mike's book (and Steven B's new Raku book, 2nd
edition). So, I have done a first run-through. And I am convinced that Mr
Bailey's book will soon emerge as a first choice for students and newbies
to learn all about glaze-designing methods. But in the next while before
the word spreads, this book (easy-to-read and understand) will sell
largely on its recipes that Mike (& David Hewitt too) carefully designed
and checked out. The recipes are in a sense copyrighted and not one of us
should do anything to make them public in the Clayart manner.
The same situation applies to John/Ron's new book, also a
compendium of Cone 6 glazes, with an even stronger reason for keeping the
recipes "private", namely, the great care that the authors have taken to
a) make sure the glazes fit a range of claybodies, and b) that they
are stable, that is, the mixes make good glass, and c) the test pots have
been thoroughly checked to ensure the glazes designed for food-ware do not
release any toxic substances at a level that could be harmful in daily
use. This information on toxicity makes the price of the book equal to a
very low-cost insurance policy.
The studio pottery field needs dedicated people (like R&J, and MB)
to enlighten us in the many aspects of pot-making, to halt the spread of
mis-information that still persists.
I plead with all Clayarters to honour copyrighted material, and
avoid any inadvertent posting of it from books or wherever.
Let's hope we have a great Year 2002. Peace. Tom.
Tom Buck ) tel: 905-389-2339
(westend Lake Ontario, province of Ontario, Canada).
mailing address: 373 East 43rd Street,
Hamilton ON L8T 3E1 Canada
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Bob Hanlin on fri 4 jan 02
Oh my, my!!!!!!!!
How youse guys make me tired sometimes.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wanda Holmes"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Posting Recipes from New Books
> Tom, knowing that much of the information in your book was also in the
> archives would not discourage me from buying your book one little bit. In
> your book I would presume that the information is organized and presented
in
> a narrative context designed to thoroughly treat a topic from introduction
> to some complete level of depth. I would expect the book to have charts,
> graphs, diagrams, pictures, etc. I would expect the book to have a good
> index. I would know that I could take your book outside to a comfortable
> chair in a warm spot and read in the spring sunshine. I would know that I
> could have the book in the studio for immediate reference at any time. I
> could take it to lunch with a fellow artist. I would be confident that
> having found some piece of information once that I could easily find it
> again.
>
> To use the information in the archives I have to be at the computer, I
have
> to search for it (not always a timely or completely sucessful endeavor),
and
> I have to put all the parts together myself, not ever really knowing if I
> have gathered all the relevant information or not. The archives are
> valuable, useful, and important. They have their place. But a book is a
> BOOK.
>
> Wanda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of Tom Buck
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:57 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Posting Recipes from New Books
>
>
> Ron & John, others:
> Of late I have not posted to Clayart Forum because I want to
> preserve copyright for future articles, perhaps even a book.
> While Clayart is NOT public domain, all too many members of the
> Forum treat it as if it were. And that simply detracts from my urge to
> help in ways I can.
> I went to the archives in 2001 and was totally upset by what I
> found: namely, that since 1995, when I joined Clayart, I have posted more
> than 200 items of a technical nature mostly, and these items are freely
> available to anyone who knows how to pose the right search question. So
> how can I make use of these items in a book? Might be a hard sell to
> entice a publisher to take on the printing of such a book.
> Let's us examine the situation with Mike Bailery's new book.
> Friend Tak & I bought Mike's book (and Steven B's new Raku book, 2nd
> edition). So, I have done a first run-through. And I am convinced that Mr
> Bailey's book will soon emerge as a first choice for students and newbies
> to learn all about glaze-designing methods. But in the next while before
> the word spreads, this book (easy-to-read and understand) will sell
> largely on its recipes that Mike (& David Hewitt too) carefully designed
> and checked out. The recipes are in a sense copyrighted and not one of us
> should do anything to make them public in the Clayart manner.
> The same situation applies to John/Ron's new book, also a
> compendium of Cone 6 glazes, with an even stronger reason for keeping the
> recipes "private", namely, the great care that the authors have taken to
> a) make sure the glazes fit a range of claybodies, and b) that they
> are stable, that is, the mixes make good glass, and c) the test pots have
> been thoroughly checked to ensure the glazes designed for food-ware do not
> release any toxic substances at a level that could be harmful in daily
> use. This information on toxicity makes the price of the book equal to a
> very low-cost insurance policy.
> The studio pottery field needs dedicated people (like R&J, and MB)
> to enlighten us in the many aspects of pot-making, to halt the spread of
> mis-information that still persists.
> I plead with all Clayarters to honour copyrighted material, and
> avoid any inadvertent posting of it from books or wherever.
> Let's hope we have a great Year 2002. Peace. Tom.
>
> Tom Buck ) tel: 905-389-2339
> (westend Lake Ontario, province of Ontario, Canada).
> mailing address: 373 East 43rd Street,
> Hamilton ON L8T 3E1 Canada
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
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>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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>
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