vince pitelka on sat 26 jan 02
> We were at Robin Hopper's studio show room in August. Here is his email
from
> his business card.
I would like to say again that I think it is invasion of privacy to publish
someone's personal contact information on Clayart without their express
permission. Such requests on Clayart are fine of course, but the response
should be sent privately. This has been discussed before. We need to be
much more sensitive about respecting people's privacy.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
John and Dorothy Weber on sat 26 jan 02
Hi Lawrence
We were at Robin Hopper's studio show room in August. Here is his email from
his business card.
chosin@pottery.ca
web site. www.chosinpottery.ca
Dorothy Weber
Manakin-Sabot, Va.
Gary Ferguson on sat 26 jan 02
I'm not sure I understand the issue. You can go to www.google.com and type
in Robin Hopper and the 4th link is for his web site. You click on the
"contact us" link and see his email address. I'm assuming any email address
that is blatantly posted on a web site is not a secret or an invasion of
privacy.
Now is someone is giving out an email address that is "private", that is a
different story.
Gary Ferguson
www.garyrferguson.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Hopper e-mail
> I would like to say again that I think it is invasion of privacy to
publish
> someone's personal contact information on Clayart without their express
> permission. Such requests on Clayart are fine of course, but the response
> should be sent privately. This has been discussed before. We need to be
> much more sensitive about respecting people's privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
vince pitelka on sun 27 jan 02
Craig wrote:
"In this specific case, I respectfully disagree with the above stated
opinion wholeheartedly. A two word search on the search engine Google, ("
Robin Hopper") immediately presents a link to his website, and with one
additional click of the mouse you are presented with a link to his very
specific and public email address."
Craig -
At the risk of repeating myself, the above statement has absolutely nothing
to do with this issue. The fact that Robbin Hopper has a website with this
information in no way gives you or anyone else the license to broadcast the
number on Clayart. I doubt very much that Robbin would mind, but that is
completely beside the point. This is an issue of respect for privacy, and
it is just common courtesy and common sense to pass on such information
privately, and therefore avoid the risk of a true violation of someone's
privacy.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Mert & Holly Kilpatrick on sun 27 jan 02
Maybe the thing to do in these cases is to do a search on Google or some
other search engine. You can usually find an email address that the artist
has on his/her website for contact. It may or may not be the same as the
email address used for family and friends. For example, below is the
contact information Robin Hopper has on his website. I don't remember if
this is the same email address that someone recently posted on Clayart.
'Chosin Pottery Inc.
4283 Metchosin Rd.
Victoria, British Columbia
Canada V9C 3Z4
(250) 474-2676
chosin@chosinpottery.ca
robin@chosinpottery.ca
If someone has posted their contact information on the Internet, it's fair
game. It's not uncommon that simple questions like this posted on Clayart
are quickly answered with Google. If not, however, I agree with Vince that
the information should be sent privately.
Holly
From: "vince pitelka"
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:48 PM
>
> I would like to say again that I think it is invasion of privacy to
publish
> someone's personal contact information on Clayart without their express
> permission. Such requests on Clayart are fine of course, but the response
> should be sent privately. This has been discussed before. We need to be
> much more sensitive about respecting people's privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
Ann Semple on sun 27 jan 02
Dorothy
Do you not think there is a difference between giving a customer your e-mail address and having it posted in a public forum for every one in the world to access?
Ann
annsemple@shaw.ca
Kate Johnson on sun 27 jan 02
I would agree with you, Ann, if this we were talking about an unlisted phone
number, but it appears Mr. Hopper has the address on his website which can
be accessed by anyone in the world at any time of the day or night? It IS
posted in a public forum, by his own choice.
And thank God email can be answered or ignored and deleted. It's a
convenience, and our choice what to do with it.
I have a friend who has three email addresses--one work, one home, and one
private. I would never in a million years give out his private one--it's
that way for a reason. Work is different...and he has ok'd the home address
as well.
I guess someone could email Robin Hopper and ask him if he minds...
Best--
Kate
> Dorothy
>
> Do you not think there is a difference between giving a customer your
e-mail address and having it posted in a public forum for every one in the
world to access?
> Ann
> annsemple@shaw.ca
>
Earl Brunner on sun 27 jan 02
I agree in principle, but it it is on his card does it make a difference? It would
certainly be better to send the info off list to avoid this altogether.
vince pitelka wrote:
> > We were at Robin Hopper's studio show room in August. Here is his email
> from
> > his business card.
>
> I would like to say again that I think it is invasion of privacy to publish
> someone's personal contact information on Clayart without their express
> permission. Such requests on Clayart are fine of course, but the response
> should be sent privately. This has been discussed before. We need to be
> much more sensitive about respecting people's privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
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Richard Jeffery on sun 27 jan 02
whatever the intention, once information is given, it is out of your
control. that is one of the fundamental elements of Data Protection
legislation.
I wonder if this is the consequence of the head on clash of small person
courtesy and big world technology.
Richard Jeffery
Web Design and Photography
www.theeleventhweb.co.uk
Bournemouth UK
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Ann Semple
Sent: 27 January 2002 17:19
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Robin Hopper e-mail
Dorothy
Do you not think there is a difference between giving a customer your e-mail
address and having it posted in a public forum for every one in the world to
access?
Ann
annsemple@shaw.ca
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cd on sun 27 jan 02
Vince's states:
"I would like to say again that I think it is invasion of privacy to =
publish
someone's personal contact information on Clayart without their express
permission. Such requests on Clayart are fine of course, but the =
response
should be sent privately. This has been discussed before. We need to =
be
much more sensitive about respecting people's privacy."
In this specific case, I respectfully disagree with the above stated =
opinion wholeheartedly. =20
A two word search on the search engine Google, (" Robin Hopper") =
immediately presents a link to his website, and with one additional =
click of the mouse you are presented with a link to his very specific =
and public email address.
To my way of thinking, if an artist has a public website and that =
website contains his or her email address, they have given permission =
for that specific email address to become public... in fact, it is =
public information.
Respectfully,
Craig
John and Dorothy Weber on mon 28 jan 02
Ann
In answer to your question this is two fold. I have my computer set up in
categories of receiving mail. Clayart, business, friends and am able to sort
quickly what I want to read. When it is posted on our business card to me it
then becomes public.After all they are set out in front of our booth for
anyone to have. You can do a computer search and often find someone's e-mail
address without difficulty. I do not care if it is published because when it
is given to a customer and they pass it on to some one else is fine it may
increase business,who knows.Posting a business address on a public forum,
when already well published I do not find it a problem. I have no problem
finding someone's address on this forum if I wanted too. I have certainly
received a number of private email from ClayArt members but the point is
with Robin his address is Advertisement not private! It was given to us in
his gallery at the sales desk! He has a web site, which has a "contact me"
site. His business card carries the information not to mention if you check
Ceramics Monthly December 2001 page 33 there is a full page add for his
Video Workshops for Potters, with yet another web site and email address
attached for Tara productions. He is a wonderful artist and a very busy man.
He and his wife hold workshops at his home/gallery in Metchosin as well as
doing workshops around Canada and the USA. He is a business man and salesman
of their own work. With holding the avenue of communication could greatly
effect his volume of business and income. He has it out there for business.
I do not know if he has a personal address, he probably does. This address
was posted because it is very well published already. I believe folks missed
the point, this is business address not personal, with little effort anyone
could get the same information.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Ann Semple
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:19 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Robin Hopper e-mail
Dorothy
Do you not think there is a difference between giving a customer your e-mail
address and having it posted in a public forum for every one in the world to
access?
Ann
annsemple@shaw.ca
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J Myers on mon 28 jan 02
Interestlingly enough, some people PAY money to get publicity.
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Terrance Lazaroff on tue 29 jan 02
Vince;
I think you are going a bit overboard here. Clayart has posted thousands of
web sites all around the world and of which many are not members of Clayart.
What is the difference here?
Terrance
----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Hopper e-mail
> Craig wrote:
> "In this specific case, I respectfully disagree with the above stated
> opinion wholeheartedly. A two word search on the search engine Google, ("
> Robin Hopper") immediately presents a link to his website, and with one
> additional click of the mouse you are presented with a link to his very
> specific and public email address."
>
> Craig -
> At the risk of repeating myself, the above statement has absolutely
nothing
> to do with this issue. The fact that Robbin Hopper has a website with
this
> information in no way gives you or anyone else the license to broadcast
the
> number on Clayart. I doubt very much that Robbin would mind, but that is
> completely beside the point. This is an issue of respect for privacy, and
> it is just common courtesy and common sense to pass on such information
> privately, and therefore avoid the risk of a true violation of someone's
> privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
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Earl Brunner on tue 29 jan 02
I think that Vince has the right idea. In general terms, very public information
is not a problem (e-mail addresses taken of of websites, from business cards, even
posted in magazines). There is a BUT or HOWEVER though.
Just like a glaze recipe that gets posted and handed around, or even a pot that was
made with an poorly formulated glaze (I made it and I would never use it for food,
so it's OK), once the e-mail address, or the glaze, or the pot get into third party
hands, you cannot say how it will be used. Many times any information that should
have been passed along with the item gets separated from it.
Vince is simply suggesting that it is good manners, not to BROADCAST things that
someone might not want broadcast. In this case (Robin Hopper) it might have been
ok, since it appears to be his "business" e-mail. But many times we don't know
that. Vince is simply suggesting that when passing on such information that we do
so in the most circumspect manner. Watch out for and protect the privacy of each
other. That is not bad.
In this thread, like many others, responses are sometimes made based on individual
posts or even individual sentences within the posts instead of within the context
of the entire thread ot even within the context of what the individual has said on
the thread in previous posts. We blow things all out of proportion.
Terrance Lazaroff wrote:
> Vince;
>
> I think you are going a bit overboard here. Clayart has posted thousands of
> web sites all around the world and of which many are not members of Clayart.
> What is the difference here?
>
> Terrance
>
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vince pitelka on tue 29 jan 02
> I think you are going a bit overboard here. Clayart has posted thousands
of
> web sites all around the world and of which many are not members of
Clayart.
> What is the difference here?
Jeeze Terrance, I never indicated in any way that it was inappropriate to
post a website address, and today I posted that I thought it perfectly okay,
and in fact a favor to the owner. Let's get real here. What we are talking
about is protecting the information which allows direct contact - phone
numbers, street addresses, email addresses. If someone chooses to have
their email address on their website, that is their decision, but it would
still be inappropriate for us to post that email address unless the owner
requested it. We can post the website address, but it is disrespectful and
in fact a minor violation of privacy to post the email address, even if it
is listed on their website.
Don't tell me I am going overboard on this. Think about it a bit and you
will agre that I am not. All we are talking about here is keeping phone
numbers, mailing addresses, or email addresses off the list unless the owner
of that information chooses to have it posted, such as I do at the bottom of
every one of my posts.
I am getting pretty tired of pointing out how easy this. When someone asks
for personal contact information for someone, reply offlist. Simple, huh?
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Bob Hanlin on wed 30 jan 02
Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you folks go make some pots!!!!
Bob Hanlin.......................
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