vince pitelka on mon 28 jan 02
> I would rather err on the side of caution and assume that
> they are more private than I am... I see web pages as a point of public
> contact, and will not hesitate to share a URL, what contact information is
> made available by the artist on that page is entirely up to them and their
> comfort levels.
Andi -
Thanks for articulating this so clearly. People who have websites obviously
want the website address to be spread far and wide, and if they wish they
can put their email address on their website. By sharing a website we are
doing the owner a favor. An email address, street address, or phone number
is a different animal altogether, allowing direct contact, welcome or not.
We do not have the right to broadcast that information unless we have been
given clear permission or instruction to do so. This is one of those
instances where we can all work together to preserve some sense of privacy
in the information age.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
John Weber on tue 29 jan 02
I think I will ring in on this one in defense of my wife, Dorothy. The issue
is, "When does an individual have the right to publish e-mail addresses, on
Clayart or other public places? I think the respondents on Clayart have hit
on the answer, which is one can publish information when the owner of that
information has indicated that it is appropriate to publish it. In this
example someone who has information on a web site intends for it to be
published, so anyone who wants to pass it on does so with the belief that it
is appropriate to publish it. Likewise, if someone receives any form of
information from another who clearly indicates it is appropriate to pass it
on, should not hesitate to do just that, pass it on or publish it. In the
case of Robin Hopper, Dorothy passed on his e-mail address on Clayart based
on a business card she received from his commercial store in Victoria, BC.
The store is a commercial operation offering the business card to anyone who
comes in the store, without any restriction on use of the card, and they
certainly are NOT trying to keep the information private; they want it
publicized, that's why it's there! Just because it's a business card, or an
e-mail or any other address does NOT mean the owner of the information does
not want it published. Here they did, and Dorothy knew it.
As to Vince Pitelka, I find his reckless disregard for determining the
correct facts before he opens his too-big-a-mouth obnoxious and
irresponsible. Before he criticized, he should have at minimum tried to
determine whether or not the information was intended by the owner for it to
be public. By the way, this particular e-mail address, while on Robin
Hopper's business card is also on his web site:
http://www.chosinpottery.ca/pages/contactus.html I think an apology is in
order!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of vince pitelka
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:22 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Privacy: Websites vs Email, phone numbers, etc.
>
>
> > I would rather err on the side of caution and assume that
> > they are more private than I am... I see web pages as a point of public
> > contact, and will not hesitate to share a URL, what contact
> information is
> > made available by the artist on that page is entirely up to
> them and their
> > comfort levels.
>
> Andi -
> Thanks for articulating this so clearly. People who have
> websites obviously
> want the website address to be spread far and wide, and if they wish they
> can put their email address on their website. By sharing a website we are
> doing the owner a favor. An email address, street address, or
> phone number
> is a different animal altogether, allowing direct contact, welcome or not.
> We do not have the right to broadcast that information unless we have been
> given clear permission or instruction to do so. This is one of those
> instances where we can all work together to preserve some sense of privacy
> in the information age.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
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vince pitelka on tue 29 jan 02
> I think I will ring in on this one in defense of my wife, Dorothy. The
issue
> is, "When does an individual have the right to publish e-mail addresses,
on
> Clayart or other public places? I think the respondents on Clayart have
hit
> on the answer, which is one can publish information when the owner of that
> information has indicated that it is appropriate to publish it. In this
> example someone who has information on a web site intends for it to be
> published, so anyone who wants to pass it on does so with the belief that
it
> is appropriate to publish it. Likewise, if someone receives any form of
> information from another who clearly indicates it is appropriate to pass
it
> on, should not hesitate to do just that, pass it on or publish it.
Sorry John, but this represents a huge leap of interpretation, and it is
irresponsible of you to encourage others to do the same. An email address
on a website is available for those who go to the trouble to access the
website. The website owner most likely never intended or wanted that email
address to be broadcast widely. And a private email address, street
address, or phone number on a business card is absolutely definitely PRIVATE
INFORMATION, given out in certain circumstances to a certain clientele, and
it surprises me that you could think otherwise.
I'm getting tired of this, but I feel very strongly about it, so hey, I can
keep going on and on.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Jim Cullen on thu 31 jan 02
This is what we were told a work by our Director of Communications...
Publishing an e-mail is like shouting out a window...if you don't want it to
be heard, then don't do it.
That seems pretty simple to me.
In the phone book if you don't want people to know your phone number you get
it unlisted.
If you send a letter and don't want everyone to know who it came from don't
put a return address on it.
If you print a business card and put it on your counter for anyone to pick
up but don't want anyone to know your e-mail address, then don't put your
e-mail address on the business card.
Don't shout out the window!
"The only thing wrong with a beautiful drive to work
is that you still end up at work."
KEEP CENTERED
Cullen
Naperville, Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: vince pitelka
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Privacy: Websites vs Email, phone numbers, etc.
> > I think I will ring in on this one in defense of my wife, Dorothy. The
> issue
> > is, "When does an individual have the right to publish e-mail addresses,
> on
> > Clayart or other public places? I think the respondents on Clayart have
> hit
> > on the answer, which is one can publish information when the owner of
that
> > information has indicated that it is appropriate to publish it. In this
> > example someone who has information on a web site intends for it to be
> > published, so anyone who wants to pass it on does so with the belief
that
> it
> > is appropriate to publish it. Likewise, if someone receives any form of
> > information from another who clearly indicates it is appropriate to pass
> it
> > on, should not hesitate to do just that, pass it on or publish it.
>
> Sorry John, but this represents a huge leap of interpretation, and it is
> irresponsible of you to encourage others to do the same. An email address
> on a website is available for those who go to the trouble to access the
> website. The website owner most likely never intended or wanted that
email
> address to be broadcast widely. And a private email address, street
> address, or phone number on a business card is absolutely definitely
PRIVATE
> INFORMATION, given out in certain circumstances to a certain clientele,
and
> it surprises me that you could think otherwise.
>
> I'm getting tired of this, but I feel very strongly about it, so hey, I
can
> keep going on and on.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
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