vince pitelka on sun 27 jan 02
> I wonder if this is the consequence of the head on clash of small person
> courtesy and big world technology.
Richard -
You make a very good point. I suppose some people can say that in the face
of "big world technology" we are powerless to fight the loss of privacy -
you know, "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile."
This is all the more reason to fight the loss of privacy every way we can.
The absolute foundation of that concept is respect for one another's
privacy.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Richard Jeffery on mon 28 jan 02
and the best way to fight it is to understand the terrain and the ways of
the enemy....
the right to privacy remains, but the tools to broadcast stray information
are overwhelming. we have to adjust how we manage privacy, not abandon it.
Richard Jeffery
Web Design and Photography
www.theeleventhweb.co.uk
Bournemouth UK
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Sent: 28 January 2002 04:17
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Subject: Re: Robin Hopper e-mail/Privacy
> I wonder if this is the consequence of the head on clash of small person
> courtesy and big world technology.
Richard -
You make a very good point. I suppose some people can say that in the face
of "big world technology" we are powerless to fight the loss of privacy -
you know, "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile."
This is all the more reason to fight the loss of privacy every way we can.
The absolute foundation of that concept is respect for one another's
privacy.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
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Kate Johnson on mon 28 jan 02
I suppose it's silly to keep beating this poor old dying horse, but I guess
I'm not getting it here--or not making my point very well. If I were doing
something that was of interest to ClayArt people, and I had already made my
*business* email available on my website, hoping to be found by interested
parties, I suppose I'd be delighted to have had it broadcast to a couple of
thousand of those interested parties.
Now if that were my private email address or my home phone number, yes, I
would not be pleased. God knows I value my privacy almost above everything
else, and like to think I respect others' privacy as well. But my email
address is how I do, in fact, do a lot of my business...??
But as someone wisely pointed out, it's done now. We can't take it back, in
any case.
Best--
Kate
> > I wonder if this is the consequence of the head on clash of small person
> > courtesy and big world technology.
>
> Richard -
> You make a very good point. I suppose some people can say that in the
face
> of "big world technology" we are powerless to fight the loss of privacy -
> you know, "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is
futile."
>
> This is all the more reason to fight the loss of privacy every way we can.
> The absolute foundation of that concept is respect for one another's
> privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
Tommy Humphries on mon 28 jan 02
My take on this whole mess is that Robin does not subscribe to (or at least
is not an active participant) Clayart. This means that his email address is
not normally available for just anyone to see, if they want it they have to
look for it...on his website for example. We all remember the recent
problems with viruses and spam, being generated from emails harvested by
web-bots from clayart...with Bobin's email address listed prominently on the
list, he is now as subject to receiving these annoyances as any of the
active participants are. I am sure he appreciates that a lot.
The solution to this would be, that if anyone wants the contact info. for a
particular person, then by all means tell them, by private email... or in a
case like Robin's post their web site address, it is just that simple.
Tommy
----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Robin Hopper e-mail/Privacy
> > I wonder if this is the consequence of the head on clash of small person
> > courtesy and big world technology.
>
> Richard -
> You make a very good point. I suppose some people can say that in the
face
> of "big world technology" we are powerless to fight the loss of privacy -
> you know, "We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is
futile."
>
> This is all the more reason to fight the loss of privacy every way we can.
> The absolute foundation of that concept is respect for one another's
> privacy.
> Best wishes -
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
>
>
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Andi Fasimpaur on mon 28 jan 02
At 12:16 PM 1/28/02 -0600, you wrote:
>I suppose it's silly to keep beating this poor old dying horse, but I guess
>I'm not getting it here--or not making my point very well. If I were doing
>something that was of interest to ClayArt people, and I had already made my
>*business* email available on my website, hoping to be found by interested
>parties, I suppose I'd be delighted to have had it broadcast to a couple of
>thousand of those interested parties.
I think that what Vince is getting at is that privacy is a rare and
valuable commodity, is it really too much to suggest that, out of respect
for one another's privacy, we limit the information we spread about each
other without explicit consent... One can, I believe, safely assume that no
artist objects to having the URL for their website posted, whether you get
that URL from a business card or a search engine, I cannot imagine going to
all of the work to put up a website and then object to people visiting it
or sharing the url with others who are interested in your work... At that
point, whether the artist shares his/her personal contact information
(email address, home phone, studio phone, pager, whatever) is entirely up
to the artist...
Does this seem reasonable? I am much more likely to hand my business card,
with my home phone number, to someone I've met in person and enjoyed a
conversation with... I always (ok, almost always) write a little note on
the back to personalize the contact... Other people's feelings with regards
to their own privacy may be different from mine, they may be more private,
or more public... I would rather err on the side of caution and assume that
they are more private than I am... I see web pages as a point of public
contact, and will not hesitate to share a URL, what contact information is
made available by the artist on that page is entirely up to them and their
comfort levels.
Best Wishes,
Andi
who doesn't have her phone number on her web page, but does have an email
address
Anji Henderson on mon 28 jan 02
> Andi
> who doesn't have her phone number on her web page,
> but does have an email
> address
Yea yea me too.. And I wouldn't mind almost any
ClayArter to have my phone number, heck I think it is
in the NCECA address book.. But I wouldn't want it
sittin' there in cyber space.. Who knows who searches
what and does what with it .. I think that is touching
on what Vince was getting at too..
Anji
- Hi Andi.. :)
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Marek & Pauline Drzazga-Donaldson on tue 29 jan 02
I wonder what Robin Hopper thinks about this.
happy potting Marek http://www.moley.uk.com where my e-mail is available =
for business
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