L. P. Skeen on sun 3 feb 02
Ceramics is an international art form.....CM, as other journals, is
informing its readers. Complaints about non-American content are, at very
least, puzzling.
I must have missed something; I haven't heard anyone complaining about
nonAmerican material in CM.
L
Hank Murrow on sun 3 feb 02
Gail Nichols wrote;
>After reading some recent messages on Clayart, I feel perhaps I should
>apologise for the Australian content in the Feb CM.
>But I won't.
>Ceramics is an international art form.....CM, as other journals, is
>informing its readers. Complaints about non-American content are, at very
>least, puzzling.
Dear Gail;
I am so glad you did not apologize. i am glad to see your work
wherever it appears, especially when accompanied by your own words. As we
'up over' say, "You go, girl!"
Puzzled in Eugene, Hank
Roger Korn on mon 4 feb 02
Let the collectors own the jingoistic attitudes. Collectors tell me how secretive and guarded the Pueblo potters are about their techniques. I've NEVER encountered
that attitude. It's always, "You're a potter? I'm a potter. Got time? Let's go dig some clay and make some pots." Completely open.
CM is there (for me) to show a variety of good work. If I don't pick up on the artspeak, that's cool - at least I get to see what others are doing. Who cares what
the geographical or psychological origin? If the pot speaks, I'll read. Sometimes the words are crap. So what? I kin rite gud, but visual expression challenges me
to the core, so that's what I work on.
Your stuff sings sweet. Thanks.
Roger
Gail Nichols wrote:
> After reading some recent messages on Clayart, I feel perhaps I should apologise for the Australian content in the Feb CM.
> But I won't.
> Ceramics is an international art form.....CM, as other journals, is informing its readers. Complaints about non-American content are, at very least, puzzling.
>
> Gail Nichols
> Sydney, Australia
> gailnichols@optusnet.com.au
> http://www.haecceityarts.com.au/
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Cindy Strnad on mon 4 feb 02
Others wrote:
<<as other journals, is
informing its readers. Complaints about
non-American content are, at very
least, puzzling.>>>
This is a response to a response to a post written
by Janet K of Wales, and I think the originator of
these responses did not fully understand Janet's
post. She wasn't really complaining about
non-american content in CM. It's just that her
first ever issue of CM contained material by
mostly British potters. She was disappointed not
to see something new and unfamiliar to her. The
way I understood her post, this was a completely
personal reaction to circumstances and not a
complaint. Like when there's been a drought for
months and then it chooses to rain, of all times,
on the day of your daughter's outdoor wedding.
It's not that you didn't want the rain. Just
please not on this hour of this particular day.
Cindy Strnad
Earthen Vessels Pottery
RR 1, Box 51
Custer, SD 57730
USA
cindy@earthen-vessels-pottery.com
http://www.earthen-vessels-pottery.com
Bruce Girrell on mon 4 feb 02
Hi Cindy,
Wow - two notes from me in one day. I bet you feel privileged today!
Gail Nichols wrote back to the list regarding her comments:
>My apologies for sending a message I probably shouldn't have. I read a
message >that seemed to complain Duncan Ross works in England, and thought
that was the >basis of complaint. From other correspondence, I now gather
the complaint was >really about the very limited info (one paragraph) on his
work, even though it >was featured on the CM cover.
So her comments were based on a posting by Jonathon Pennington.
I have to agree with Pennington, too. I saw the cover picture and
immediately looked for the article. There are a couple more pictures of
truly beautiful pots and... nothing. I kept turning to the next page in
disbelief, looking for the rest of the article.
Oh, well.
Bruce Girrell
Janet Kaiser on mon 4 feb 02
I hope you didn't misinterpret me, Gail? I was only bemoaning the
non-American content in Ceramics Monthly on a single occasion... I
bought a copy on the single occasion I saw CM for sale in the USA, on
my way to New Zealand back in 1993... I was looking forward to seeing
work and reading about potters who I would not otherwise see or hear
of here in the UK. Work from Africa, North and South America, Asia,
Australia, Europe.... anywhere EXCEPT Britain. But to hit on an
edition featuring British potters WAS a disappointment to me, as you
may appreciate.
It is certainly a very difficult editorial balance to strike...
Including international work to educate and inform the national public
is a very important part of producing a well-balanced and informative
magazine. On the other hand, too much "foreign" work can antagonise
readers, because they feel it is irrelevant to them. It can be out of
context and "unusable", however interesting.
Incidentally, I think that is the main problem with the never-ending
Art-versus-Craft "debate"... It is because some feel the one or the
other is irrelevant to them and they resent the space taken up by
it... It can be like buying a luscious box of chocolates, only to find
that it is all shiny packaging, with just a morsel of tasty,
lip-smacking sweetie inside. Other times the packaging is dull, but
full of goodies... It is swings and roundabouts, unless a magazine
decides to be more narrow in its focus. CM (for example) would
probably loose half its readership, if it decided to be less
universal. Same goes for most of the main-stream ceramic mags. There
are few enough of them anyway, compared to gardening, motor sport,
interior design and all the other specialist publications, but lower
readership would affect them badly. Look at "New Zealand Potter"...
One of the best, but sadly no longer around.
There are also subscribers who pay dearly to have foreign magazines
shipped to them abroad and they do not necessarily want to see their
own home-grown potters, who already have pretty good national coverage
and exposure. It is nice for the potters and their international
reputation, but carting coals to Newcastle for their fellow countrymen
and women.
Very few people I know can afford more than the one magazine, so it is
usually our own national publications which win out. So when we are
lucky enough to see other publications, it is nice to see completely
new work. But that does not mean that you (or anyone else) should feel
they are not appreciated for a valuable contribution. I will certainly
look forward to reading your article when it eventually arrives... I
hope CM now have my address right, so I guess it is having difficulty
swimming across the Atlantic in these high seas... :-)
Janet Kaiser - We are being lashed again by cyclonic winds as I
write... Rain occasionally swilling down too. Over an inch here
today... Poor little snowdrops are being badly mauled and the yard is
filling up with seaweed, plastic and all sorts of rubbish off the
beach. When will man stop using the oceans as a dumping ground?
The Chapel of Art / Capel Celfyddyd
Home of The International Potters' Path
8 Marine Crescent : Criccieth : GB-Wales
URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
postbox@the-coa.org.uk
Gail Nichols on mon 4 feb 02
After reading some recent messages on Clayart, I feel perhaps I should =
apologise for the Australian content in the Feb CM. =20
But I won't. =20
Ceramics is an international art form.....CM, as other journals, is =
informing its readers. Complaints about non-American content are, at =
very least, puzzling. =20
=20
Gail Nichols
Sydney, Australia
gailnichols@optusnet.com.au
http://www.haecceityarts.com.au/
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