MOLINA, RAFAEL on sat 9 feb 02
About nine months ago I shot some work for an artist and recently I saw =
an invitation for a one-person show by that artist which was very nicely =
done with photo's I had taken on the front and back. Curiously enough =
there was no credit given to the photographer anywhere on the invite.
I always ask the folks whose work I shoot to please give me photo credit =
when they use the images in publications. Some do and some don't. I =
don't think it's asking too much.
On a related note I remember a message recently from someone at ACERS =
apologizing for not including the names of the ceramists used in the =
Potters Council materials and proceeded to list the names of the =
artists. What about photo credit for the photographers who shot the =
images used by the Council? It's quite common for books, magazines and =
other published materials to give credit to the photographers. Again, I =
don't think it's asking too much.
Chao,
Rafael
Rafael Molina, MFA
Assistant Professor of Art
Department of Music, Art, and Dance
Tarrant County College-Southeast Campus
2100 Southeast Parkway
Arlington, TX 76018-3144
(817) 515-3711
(817) 515-3189 fax
Richard Jeffery on sun 10 feb 02
I couldn't agree more - same thing happened to me recently - shot some
pictures of a gallery opening (as a favour) - found they were being used in
editorial and adverts in a regional arts magazine that hits my target
audience for doing paid work. not the fault of the magazine. too late to
remedy when you see it. I think all you can do is to have the confidence to
ask/state clearly that you want a credit if it is published. that doesn't
always work, either.
Richard Jeffery
Web Design and Photography
www.theeleventhweb.co.uk
Bournemouth UK
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Subject: Photo Credit Puhleeeeeze!
About nine months ago I shot some work for an artist and recently I saw an
invitation for a one-person show by that artist which was very nicely done
with photo's I had taken on the front and back. Curiously enough there was
no credit given to the photographer anywhere on the invite.
I always ask the folks whose work I shoot to please give me photo credit
when they use the images in publications. Some do and some don't. I don't
think it's asking too much.
On a related note I remember a message recently from someone at ACERS
apologizing for not including the names of the ceramists used in the Potters
Council materials and proceeded to list the names of the artists. What
about photo credit for the photographers who shot the images used by the
Council? It's quite common for books, magazines and other published
materials to give credit to the photographers. Again, I don't think it's
asking too much.
Chao,
Rafael
Rafael Molina, MFA
Assistant Professor of Art
Department of Music, Art, and Dance
Tarrant County College-Southeast Campus
2100 Southeast Parkway
Arlington, TX 76018-3144
(817) 515-3711
(817) 515-3189 fax
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Orchard Valley Ceramic Arts Guild on sun 10 feb 02
Another aspect of photos that we often overlook is that the photo
copyright is owned by the photographer (although if the
photographer is taking the photos as a "work for hire," the
copyright may be automatically transferred to the person
paying for the work).
When I was producing CD-ROMs, I would often use contributed
photos. I would always insist on a copyright release from the
person who took the photo (on the advice of my copyright attorney).
Most contributors did not have any release or documentation,
so I was unable to use their contributions.
So: if you are having someone photograph your work, always get
a copyright release or copyright transfer.
If you are the photographer, provide a copyright transfer, and
include a requirement that a photo credit be included anywhere
the photo is published.
A couple of minutes to write down a clear understanding of who
owns what rights can save lots of aggravation later.
>About nine months ago I shot some work for an artist and recently I
>saw an invitation for a one-person show by that artist which was
>very nicely done with photo's I had taken on the front and back.
>Curiously enough there was no credit given to the photographer
>anywhere on the invite.
>
>I always ask the folks whose work I shoot to please give me photo
>credit when they use the images in publications. Some do and some
>don't. I don't think it's asking too much.
>
>On a related note I remember a message recently from someone at
>ACERS apologizing for not including the names of the ceramists used
>in the Potters Council materials and proceeded to list the names of
>the artists. What about photo credit for the photographers who shot
>the images used by the Council? It's quite common for books,
>magazines and other published materials to give credit to the
>photographers. Again, I don't think it's asking too much.
>
>Chao,
>
>Rafael
>
>
>Rafael Molina, MFA
>Assistant Professor of Art
>Department of Music, Art, and Dance
>Tarrant County College-Southeast Campus
>2100 Southeast Parkway
>Arlington, TX 76018-3144
>(817) 515-3711
>(817) 515-3189 fax
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bob Nicholson
Webmaster, Orchard Valley Ceramic Arts Guild
http://www.ovcag.org/
Ned Ludd on sun 10 feb 02
After reading Rafael's and Richard's posts..
I know what you mean. Fair attribution is important. One feels dissed
not getting it.
Some years ago Ceramic Review (UK) used one of several photos I took when Bernard and David Leach visited the pottery where I was apprenticed: the Dartington Pottery Training Workshop. This was in south Devon, England. It was sort of like a state occasion... as Bernard was mostly blind by then and rather frail, he sat and examined our pots by feeling them, all the while holding us in rapt attention as he gave us what might have been called the State of the Union address, just for us potters. :-)
Meanwhile, I went through most of a roll of film. I suppose it ended
up in some drawer in the tiny office.
When CR printed it _surprise, surprise!_ there was no credit. It
rankled all the more, because, in my not-so-humble opinion , if
there are better public photos of Bernard in his last three years, I
have not seen them!
harrumph..!
Ned
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original post from: "MOLINA, RAFAEL" :
>> About nine months ago I shot some work for an artist and recently I saw
>> an invitation for a one-person show by that artist which was very
>> nicely done with photo's I had taken on the front and back. Curiously
>> enough there was no credit given to the photographer anywhere on the
>> invite.
>>
>> I always ask the folks whose work I shoot to please give me photo
>> credit when they use the images in publications. Some do and some
>> don't. I don't think it's asking too much.
>>
>> On a related note I remember a message recently from someone at ACERS
>> apologizing for not including the names of the ceramists used in the
>> Potters Council materials and proceeded to list the names of the
>> artists. What about photo credit for the photographers who shot the
>> images used by the Council? It's quite common for books, magazines and
>> other published materials to give credit to the photographers. Again,
>> I don't think it's asking too much.
--------------------
> From: Richard Jeffery :
>
> I couldn't agree more - same thing happened to me recently - shot some
> pictures of a gallery opening (as a favour) - found they were being used
> in editorial and adverts in a regional arts magazine that hits my target
> audience for doing paid work. not the fault of the magazine. too late
> to remedy when you see it. I think all you can do is to have the
> confidence to ask/state clearly that you want a credit if it is
> published. that doesn't always work, either.
Susan Fox-Hirschmann on sun 24 feb 02
You are absolutely right....you SHOULD get photo credit, but it doesn't
always happen. When I send slides for a juried show, I assume that they
will be juried and returned....and I am never asked who shot the work.
Then, occasionally to my surprise my work ends up on a promotional postcard,
or show program, without the photographer credit line. Sometimes, in fact,
even my name does not appear! Of course, i am totally happy with the free
publicity but....
When i send my work to mags or other pubs, I always include the
photographers name. My promotonal postcards and brochure have it, but there
are certain things beyond our control, and are up to promoters. I have
asked them on occasion, if they were planning to use my work, why they
didn/t call me for the photographer's name? They have answered that it
would make the card look too "busy" or not flow with the design, etc, etc.
that is just their point of view of course,
and i, like you, would prefer they include the photo credit....but sometimes
it just doesn't work with what they are creating. A certain image to sell
people to come to their shows.
susan
susan fos hirschmann
annandale, va
>From: "MOLINA, RAFAEL"
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Photo Credit Puhleeeeeze!
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:28:15 -0600
>
>About nine months ago I shot some work for an artist and recently I saw an
>invitation for a one-person show by that artist which was very nicely done
>with photo's I had taken on the front and back. Curiously enough there was
>no credit given to the photographer anywhere on the invite.
>
>I always ask the folks whose work I shoot to please give me photo credit
>when they use the images in publications. Some do and some don't. I don't
>think it's asking too much.
>
>On a related note I remember a message recently from someone at ACERS
>apologizing for not including the names of the ceramists used in the
>Potters Council materials and proceeded to list the names of the artists.
>What about photo credit for the photographers who shot the images used by
>the Council? It's quite common for books, magazines and other published
>materials to give credit to the photographers. Again, I don't think it's
>asking too much.
>
>Chao,
>
>Rafael
>
>
>Rafael Molina, MFA
>Assistant Professor of Art
>Department of Music, Art, and Dance
>Tarrant County College-Southeast Campus
>2100 Southeast Parkway
>Arlington, TX 76018-3144
>(817) 515-3711
>(817) 515-3189 fax
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>melpots@pclink.com.
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