Cindi Anderson on mon 11 feb 02
My husband's first gift to me when we were dating, the "big First Christmas
gift", was a tool box and set of tools for my car. He wanted to keep me
safe. Well, you gotta love that!
But we still steal each other's hammers!
Cindi
primalmommy@IVILLAGE.COM on mon 11 feb 02
I hear you, Misty. I used to get "yer husband's tools"... "yer husband's truck"... "yer husband's fishin' gear"... "yer husband's shotgun" long before I even HAD a husband.
When we were newlyweds, I heard a noise in the kitchen late at night and woke Jeff, fearing an intruder. He said, "What are you waking ME up for? You're the one with the guns..."
(Just an anecdote for our Canadian friends... as one recently told me, "Canadians are just unarmed Americans with health care"... )
It takes a special kind of self- assured guy to marry a woman who can out-shoot, out-spit, out-rope and out-ride him, and not be intimidated. (Ok, the truth is I can't rope worth a damn.)
About directions: more men I know than women have an excellent internal compass when it comes to long-range navigating. My grandfather was never lost in the woods, and my hubby studied celestial navigation and can find his way at sea without a GPS. Hunter-men evolved from long journeys after big game, with a single-minded commitment and a goal-oriented focus. Gatherer-women traveled by landmarks in a smaller range, working with attention to detail and the ability to multi-task, maintaining social ties.
I loved the comedian who explained the gender difference in asking directions when driving: a man has a hard time saying, "I'm an idiot, can you tell me where I'm going?" ... on the other hand, a woman has no trouble saying, "He's an idiot. can you tell us where we're going?" :0D
And Dave Barry says the translation of a man's words "I can't find it" is: "It didn't drop into my outstretched hand"... love those gender stereotypes... especially when it ain't my gender...
'Night, all. Kelly in Ohio (packing to visit my folks in Florida for a few weeks. They migrate south for the winter then miss the grandkids, and give us plane tickets for christmas. Any big clay events in west central Florida? )
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Working Potter on mon 11 feb 02
When I was the only craftsperson in the home, all the people would refer to
my tools that hubby never used nor bought, as ''your husband's tools'',
now that he is a proficient woodworker it seems all the tools that were not
distinctly pottery tools have become his in even his own mind.I can now
relate to your wife's ''hidden'' toolbox, forgive her as she spared you
hearing her exasperation at attempting to finding one any time she has a
tool need.We all have a few secrets, don't we?
Misty
In a message dated 2/11/2002 9:33:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, bruec@ANV.NET
writes:
> From: bruec@ANV.NET (Earl Brunner)
> Sender: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG (Ceramic Arts Discussion List)
> Reply-to: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG (Ceramic Arts Discussion List)
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>
>
>
>
> A somewhat related "Male" thing. We were talking about tools at our guild
> meeting
> yesterday and my wife let slip that she had her OWN tools hidden in a tool
> box that
> until then I had never known about. Seems she got tired at one point of
> trying to
> find mine when she needed a tool. In defense I have to say that with four
> grown
> children, the fact that the tools are hard to find is not always my fault.
> Still after living with someone for 30 years to find that they have secrets
> is
> disturbing........
>
>
Cheryl Hoffman on mon 11 feb 02
Hi All,
I have been thoroughly enjoying this thread of conversation. I love a
woman with tools and have amassed quite an impressive collection myself.
This Christmas Hubby gave me a nifty little cordless drill with all the
attachments, sets of Craftsman screwdrivers and drill bits, AND my own
hammer. Here's the story...Hubby has a bad habit of squirreling-away groups
of objects from around the house, e.g., he might decide to gather all the
ball point pens from around the house (each and every one) and store them in
a place that makes sense TO HIM...like in a far box in the garage. One day,
as I was gathering tools to tackle a home repair project, I discovered that
he had squirreled-away all the hammers (we have at least a dozen). After an
hour of searching, I was foaming at the mouth by the time I called him at
work. Of course, he was away from his desk...voicemail, g-r-r-r...blood
pressure steadily going up...left a hyena-like shrieking message of "WHERE
THE #*%@ ARE ALL THE &%$#@*& HAMMERS???" What I didn't know was that his
whole work crew of twelve men were sitting in his office with the speaker
phone on! When he returned to his office, he was greeted by twelve men, all
with hammers in hand, yelling "Here Dave, you'll need this!" He still hasn't
lived it down...and he has a healthy fear of touching MY new hammer. Cher
Hoffman
PS He got a new wardrobe of designer clothes for Christmas. My mother
doesn't understand.
L. P. Skeen on mon 11 feb 02
a hyena-like shrieking message of "WHERE THE #*%@ ARE ALL THE &%$#@*&
HAMMERS???"
Oh Cheryl, you GO girl. I have SO been there. I am a "stacker". My
partner is a clean freak. I make stacks of stuff around and will put them
up whenever I get around to it. I know exactly what is in each stack and
there is a reason for each stack being the way it is. SHE will take my
stacks and put them all in a big box somewhere.
Last week I got around to going through a box she collected last year, ie:
MAY, which contained two checks that Grandma and someone else sent for my
birthday!
L
Susan Cline on tue 12 feb 02
In most relationships there are "pilers" and "filers". If someone, anyone, "files" my "piles" I lose track of everything, checks are uncashed; bills are unpaid. If it's out of sight (as in "filed") it does not exist. We pilers don't hoard things, we simply put them in places where WE can find them.
-----Original Message-----
From: "L. P. Skeen"
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:28:27 -0500
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
> a hyena-like shrieking message of "WHERE THE #*%@ ARE ALL THE &%$#@*&
> HAMMERS???"
>
> Oh Cheryl, you GO girl. I have SO been there. I am a "stacker". My
> partner is a clean freak. I make stacks of stuff around and will put them
> up whenever I get around to it. I know exactly what is in each stack and
> there is a reason for each stack being the way it is. SHE will take my
> stacks and put them all in a big box somewhere.
>
> Last week I got around to going through a box she collected last year, ie:
> MAY, which contained two checks that Grandma and someone else sent for my
> birthday!
>
> L
>
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potterybydai on tue 12 feb 02
Cher said:
>blood pressure steadily going up...left a hyena-like shrieking >message of
"WHERE THE #*%@ ARE ALL THE &%$#@*& >HAMMERS???"
Boy, can I relate to this!! Too much of my life is dedicated to looking for
bloody tools that weren't put back where they came from. Well, they SHOULD
be bloody, given my state of mind at the time :) I don't know how many
multi-bit screwdrivers I have that no longer have any bits, how many sets of
drill bits that are missing half their contents, and the hammers!!!! I am
looking for a bright pink toolbox, so that I can put MY tools in it , in the
hopes that no self-respecting male would be caught dead with such a toolbox
. If that doesn't work, a BIG padlock should do the trick.
Dai in Kelowna, BC.
potterybydai@shaw.ca
Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you
respond to it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Hoffman"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Men asking .......her tools
> Hi All,
> I have been thoroughly enjoying this thread of conversation. I
love a
> woman with tools and have amassed quite an impressive collection myself.
> This Christmas Hubby gave me a nifty little cordless drill with all the
> attachments, sets of Craftsman screwdrivers and drill bits, AND my own
> hammer. Here's the story...Hubby has a bad habit of squirreling-away
groups
> of objects from around the house, e.g., he might decide to gather all the
> ball point pens from around the house (each and every one) and store them
in
> a place that makes sense TO HIM...like in a far box in the garage. One
day,
> as I was gathering tools to tackle a home repair project, I discovered
that
> he had squirreled-away all the hammers (we have at least a dozen). After
an
> hour of searching, I was foaming at the mouth by the time I called him at
> work. Of course, he was away from his desk...voicemail, g-r-r-r...What I
didn't know was that his
> whole work crew of twelve men were sitting in his office with the speaker
> phone on! When he returned to his office, he was greeted by twelve men,
all
> with hammers in hand, yelling "Here Dave, you'll need this!" He still
hasn't
> lived it down...and he has a healthy fear of touching MY new hammer.
Cher
> Hoffman
>
> PS He got a new wardrobe of designer clothes for Christmas. My mother
> doesn't understand.
>
>
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Janet Kaiser on wed 13 feb 02
Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not find to
"borrow" and destroy:
Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep shelves. Collect
fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like Ester
Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Hermés, etc. (I'm not very high up
on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those drill and
electric screwdriver parts which always seem to disappear into thin
air in those boxes and (this is important) put something Himself will
never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the tricky bit. It is
amazing what men use when they are playing around in the bathroom!
Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They can be
threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra row of hooks
at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and sandpaper to
brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded plastic bags.
Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent place to hide the
power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top. The only tool I
have not been able to stash has been the electric jig-saw, but as I
have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by and large.
WARNING: This will only work if you are an inveterate "piler". Eckhard
expects all my stuff to be in accessible piles, so this "filing"
strategy throws him!
Cannot help in the studio or workshop, but some may be "adaptable".
Janet Kaiser - Taking a break from putting on "Magic Moments", our
next exhibition. Happy Valentine's Day to all you lovelies... Big Kiss
and Hug everyone and don't forget to do something special...
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Earl Brunner on thu 14 feb 02
Thanks, Janet, I looked in every one of them for her tools, but couldn't =
find them,
do you have any other suggestions of where I might look?
Janet Kaiser wrote:
> Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not find to
> "borrow" and destroy:
>
> Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep shelves. Collect
> fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like Ester
> Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Herm=E9s, etc. (I'm not very high up
> on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those drill and
> electric screwdriver parts which always seem to disappear into thin
> air in those boxes and (this is important) put something Himself will
> never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the tricky bit. It is
> amazing what men use when they are playing around in the bathroom!
>
> Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They can be
> threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra row of hooks
> at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and sandpaper to
> brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded plastic bags.
>
> Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent place to hide the
> power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top. The only tool I
> have not been able to stash has been the electric jig-saw, but as I
> have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by and large.
>
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
Cheryl Hoffman on thu 14 feb 02
I hide stuff under the trash bags...I know he'll never look around there.
Cher
Earl Brunner on thu 14 feb 02
I get trash bags all the time.......to put my clay in.
It's the full ones the tools would be safe under.
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On
Behalf Of Cheryl Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:34 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
I hide stuff under the trash bags...I know he'll never look around
there.
Cher
pammyam on thu 14 feb 02
Hey, and I thought that all you had to do was NOT put your
secret stuff on the front of any shelf near eye-level to keep
it safe from Him, or _under_ anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
Thanks, Janet, I looked in every one of them for her tools,
but couldn't find them,
do you have any other suggestions of where I might look?
Janet Kaiser wrote:
> Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not
find to
> "borrow" and destroy:
>
> Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep shelves.
Collect
> fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like Ester
> Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Hermés, etc. (I'm not
very high up
> on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those
drill and
> electric screwdriver parts which always seem to disappear
into thin
> air in those boxes and (this is important) put something
Himself will
> never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the tricky
bit. It is
> amazing what men use when they are playing around in the
bathroom!
>
> Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They can
be
> threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra row
of hooks
> at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and
sandpaper to
> brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded
plastic bags.
>
> Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent place
to hide the
> power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top. The
only tool I
> have not been able to stash has been the electric jig-saw,
but as I
> have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by and
large.
>
--
Earl Brunner
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
mailto:bruec@anv.net
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Judith I. Marvin on fri 15 feb 02
Here's the straight scoop. The safest place to put your treasured tools is
front and center, smack in the middle of the upper most shelf of the
refrigerator. Havn't you ever watched your otherwise intelligent mate stand
peering into the fridge saying "Where's the (fill in the blank)"? There is
a definite reaction between testosterone and fridge lights--visual problems.
>From: pammyam
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
>Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:23:03 -0500
>
>Hey, and I thought that all you had to do was NOT put your
>secret stuff on the front of any shelf near eye-level to keep
>it safe from Him, or _under_ anything.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Earl Brunner"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:09 AM
>Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
>
>
>Thanks, Janet, I looked in every one of them for her tools,
>but couldn't find them,
>do you have any other suggestions of where I might look?
>
>Janet Kaiser wrote:
>
> > Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not
>find to
> > "borrow" and destroy:
> >
> > Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep shelves.
>Collect
> > fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like Ester
> > Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Hermés, etc. (I'm not
>very high up
> > on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those
>drill and
> > electric screwdriver parts which always seem to disappear
>into thin
> > air in those boxes and (this is important) put something
>Himself will
> > never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the tricky
>bit. It is
> > amazing what men use when they are playing around in the
>bathroom!
> >
> > Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They can
>be
> > threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra row
>of hooks
> > at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and
>sandpaper to
> > brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded
>plastic bags.
> >
> > Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent place
>to hide the
> > power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top. The
>only tool I
> > have not been able to stash has been the electric jig-saw,
>but as I
> > have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by and
>large.
> >
>
>--
>Earl Brunner
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
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L. P. Skeen on fri 15 feb 02
I'm pretty sure if you put them in the cabinet behind the Stayfree/Kotex,
they'll still be there next time you look. ;)
Wouldn't work in MY house, of course, but prolly would in any house w/ a
man.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "pammyam"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
> Hey, and I thought that all you had to do was NOT put your
> secret stuff on the front of any shelf near eye-level to keep
> it safe from Him, or _under_ anything.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Brunner"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
>
>
> Thanks, Janet, I looked in every one of them for her tools,
> but couldn't find them,
> do you have any other suggestions of where I might look?
>
> Janet Kaiser wrote:
>
> > Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not
> find to
> > "borrow" and destroy:
> >
> > Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep shelves.
> Collect
> > fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like Ester
> > Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Herm=E9s, etc. (I'm not
> very high up
> > on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those
> drill and
> > electric screwdriver parts which always seem to disappear
> into thin
> > air in those boxes and (this is important) put something
> Himself will
> > never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the tricky
> bit. It is
> > amazing what men use when they are playing around in the
> bathroom!
> >
> > Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They can
> be
> > threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra row
> of hooks
> > at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and
> sandpaper to
> > brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded
> plastic bags.
> >
> > Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent place
> to hide the
> > power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top. The
> only tool I
> > have not been able to stash has been the electric jig-saw,
> but as I
> > have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by and
> large.
> >
>
> --
> Earl Brunner
> http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
> mailto:bruec@anv.net
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Cheryl Hoffman on fri 15 feb 02
Whaaaat? Doesn't everyone use Kotex or Tampax to soak up the extra water on
top of a too thin glaze? Cher
Valice Raffi on fri 15 feb 02
when I was married, the dishwasher was the best place to hide anything,
tools, chocolate chips, the last can of coke. Nobody ever looked in there.
Valice
in Sacramento
claybair on fri 15 feb 02
Tooooo funny.... I'm wheezing..... stop..... stop!->
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
Cher wrote>>>
Whaaaat? Doesn't everyone use Kotex or Tampax to soak up the extra water on
top of a too thin glaze? Cher
L. P. Skeen on fri 15 feb 02
OMG I just about shot seltzer water thru my nose at that one. Damn, dinna
know this list could be so dangerous...
L
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
> Whaaaat? Doesn't everyone use Kotex or Tampax to soak up the extra water
on
> top of a too thin glaze? Cher
>
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pammyam on sat 16 feb 02
Ah, yes the fridge or the freezer--just no place near the
beer or the ice cream. In the pantry, though, he only sees
what's at eye level on the front of the shelf. One does not
look behind anything on a shelf or under anything in a
drawer.
: Here's the straight scoop. The safest place to put your
treasured tools is
: front and center, smack in the middle of the upper most
shelf of the
: refrigerator. Havn't you ever watched your otherwise
intelligent mate stand
: peering into the fridge saying "Where's the (fill in the
blank)"? There is
: a definite reaction between testosterone and fridge
lights--visual problems.
:
: >From: pammyam : >Date: Thu, 14 Feb
2002 19:23:03 -0500
: >
: >Hey, and I thought that all you had to do was NOT put your
: >secret stuff on the front of any shelf near eye-level to
keep
: >it safe from Him, or _under_ anything.
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Earl Brunner"
: >To:
: >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:09 AM
: >Subject: Re: Men asking .......her tools
: >
: >
: >Thanks, Janet, I looked in every one of them for her
tools,
: >but couldn't find them,
: >do you have any other suggestions of where I might look?
: >
: >Janet Kaiser wrote:
: >
: > > Tips on stashing tools around the home Himself will not
: >find to
: > > "borrow" and destroy:
: > >
: > > Make a super-large, cosmetics cupboard with deep
shelves.
: >Collect
: > > fancy cardboard boxes with lids from those names like
Ester
: > > Lordy-whatsit, Jil Sander, Chanel, Hermés, etc. (I'm
not
: >very high up
: > > on smellies, but you know what I mean). Stash all those
: >drill and
: > > electric screwdriver parts which always seem to
disappear
: >into thin
: > > air in those boxes and (this is important) put
something
: >Himself will
: > > never dream of touching on top... That MAY be the
tricky
: >bit. It is
: > > amazing what men use when they are playing around in
the
: >bathroom!
: > >
: > > Always buy paintbrushes with a hole in the handle. They
can
: >be
: > > threaded and hung up in the wardrobe... I have an extra
row
: >of hooks
: > > at the back... Everything from bags of steel wool and
: >sandpaper to
: > > brushes and scraper hang there nicely in colour-coded
: >plastic bags.
: > >
: > > Out-of-season boots and wellingtons are an excellent
place
: >to hide the
: > > power drill... Just scrunch up newspaper at the top.
The
: >only tool I
: > > have not been able to stash has been the electric
jig-saw,
: >but as I
: > > have all the blades well hidden, that is pretty safe by
and
: >large.
: > >
: >
: >--
: >Earl Brunner
: >http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
: >mailto:bruec@anv.net
: >
:
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