Earl Brunner on tue 26 feb 02
That one, and the following:
A Potter's Companion - a compilation by Ronald Larsen (last I heard -out of print)
The Invisible Core-A Potter's Life and Thoughts by Marguerite Wildenhain
Finding One's Way With Clay- Paulus Berensohn
Pioneer Pottery- Michael Cardew
Craig Edwards wrote:
> Hello;
>
> I've pulled my copy of, The Unknown Craftsman, off the shelf again and have
> been reading a page or two at random for maybe six weeks now. I have always
> been amazed at Yanagi's insight. The Unknown Craftsman is a book that if I
> could only have one or two books on pottery it would be at the top of my
> list.
> I mentioned this book to Ellie, a young potter who works with me. I was
> amazed that she had never heard of Yanagi's work. She has been making pots
> since junior high school and now has a degree in ceramics. I have since
> mentioned the book to several potters, most did not know of him or his
> writings.
> This sets me to wonder if there are other gems of books out there that would
> meaningful to know about-- that I have no idea exist.
> It would be interesting to find out what is your favorite book or article on
> pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
>
> Craig Edwards
> New London MN
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Carol Casey on tue 26 feb 02
That's a great idea . . . maybe it's been done before,
but I hope the more experienced potters will agree to
list some of the books they have found important. It
should be an interesting exercise. Here's a list, not
in order of importance:
Sawdust Firing, Karen Hessenberg
A Potter's Book, Bernard Leach
Pioneer Pottery, Michael Cardew (although it is so
technical sometimes . . .)
The Potter's Dictionary of Materials and Techniques,
Hamer and Hamer
Potworks, A first book of clay, Billy Luisi
Finding One's Way with Clay, Paulus Berensohn
Coiled Pottery, Betty Blandino
The Living Tradition of Maria Martinez, Susan Peterson
I don't have the Hamada book by Susan Peterson, but
might someday. These are books I have actually used
and read; I have others that I haven't gotten as much
out of.
Thanks Craig for a good idea.
--- Craig Edwards wrote:
> Hello;
>
> I've pulled my copy of, The Unknown Craftsman, off
> the shelf again and have
> been reading a page or two at random for maybe six
> weeks now. I have always
> been amazed at Yanagi's insight. The Unknown
> Craftsman is a book that if I
> could only have one or two books on pottery it would
> be at the top of my
> list.
> I mentioned this book to Ellie, a young potter who
> works with me. I was
> amazed that she had never heard of Yanagi's work.
> She has been making pots
> since junior high school and now has a degree in
> ceramics. I have since
> mentioned the book to several potters, most did not
> know of him or his
> writings.
> This sets me to wonder if there are other gems of
> books out there that would
> meaningful to know about-- that I have no idea
> exist.
> It would be interesting to find out what is your
> favorite book or article on
> pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
>
> Craig Edwards
> New London MN
>
>
>
>
>
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Craig Edwards on tue 26 feb 02
Hello;
I've pulled my copy of, The Unknown Craftsman, off the shelf again and have
been reading a page or two at random for maybe six weeks now. I have always
been amazed at Yanagi's insight. The Unknown Craftsman is a book that if I
could only have one or two books on pottery it would be at the top of my
list.
I mentioned this book to Ellie, a young potter who works with me. I was
amazed that she had never heard of Yanagi's work. She has been making pots
since junior high school and now has a degree in ceramics. I have since
mentioned the book to several potters, most did not know of him or his
writings.
This sets me to wonder if there are other gems of books out there that would
meaningful to know about-- that I have no idea exist.
It would be interesting to find out what is your favorite book or article on
pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
Craig Edwards
New London MN
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Carol Casey on wed 27 feb 02
Jeff Longin wrote:
Anyone know where one can get a hard copy of Finding
One's Way With Clay?
Wouldn't you also agree that Daniel Rhodes has some
worthwhile books?
I find Clay and Glazes for the Potter to be very
useful. I also found
his
Pottery Forms book useful as a student so many years
ago.
Jeff Longtin
Complex Molds Made Easy
Minneapolis
Hi, Jeff,
For the hardcover of Finding One's Way, go to
http://www.abebooks.com. It gave me a list of 23 used
copies; mine is a reissued paperback . . .
Here are some from abebooks:
1.BERENSOHN, PAULUS FINDING ONE'S WAY WITH CLAY,
PINCHED POTTERY ETC SIMON SHUSTER 1972. CLOTH, 160PP,
MANY ILLS INCLUDING SOME IN COLOR ; A VERY IMPORTANT
TECHNIQUE MANUAL FOR POTTERS OF ALL PERSUASIONS. VG
COPY. Bookseller Inventory # K13927 Price: US$ 54.00
convert currency Presented by Kenneth Starosciak,
Bookseller, A.B.A.A., San Francisco, CA, U.S.A.
2. Berensohn Paulus Finding One's Way with Clay;
Pinched Pottery and the color of Clay NY Simon and
Schuster 1972. EX Lib. Illustrated by True Kelly.
Binding is HC. 159pp pp. Bookseller Inventory # 010852
Price: US$ 60.00 convert currency Presented by
Princeton Antiques Bookshop, Atlantic City, NJ, U.S.A.
3. Berensohn, Paulus FINDING ONE'S WAY WITH CLAY
PINCHED POTTERY AND THE COLOR OF CLAY NEW YORK SIMON &
SCHUSTER 1972. GOOD GOOD DJ. in GOOD DJ dust jacket
chipped and stained; corners rubbed; black/white and
color photographs. Illustrated by TRUE KELLY. Binding
is HARD BACK. 159 pp. 9X12" . Bookseller Inventory #
018801
Presented by Princeton Antiques Bookshop, Atlantic
City, NJ, U.S.A.
4. Berensohn, Paulus; photos Kelly, True Finding One's
Way with Clay, Pinched Pottery and the Color of Clay
SIMON & SCHUSTER 19720101 Hardcover. NF/NF; DJ in
protective mylar. Pages and DJ both seem a bit
yellowed. Sculpting . Bookseller Inventory # 18310
Price: US$ 30.00 convert currency Presented by Books
and More Books of Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM, U.S.A.
5. Berensohn, Paulus Finding one's Way with
ClayJacket: Ohne Angabe. Pinched Pottery and the
Colour of Clay. New York 1968 engl. 22,5 x 30,5 cm.
Ln. mit SU.
159 S. 313 S/W Abb., 35 farbige
und 37 Zeichn. Keramik Arbeitsbuch, Technik, SW:
Keramik. [Bestellnr. 26136] Bookseller Inventory #
26136
Price: US$ 28.87 convert currency Presented by
Antiquariat Kurt-Dieter Götz, Karlsruhe, Germany
6. Paulus Berensohn, Illustrated by True Kelly Finding
One's Way with Clay New York: Simon and Schuster Hard
Cover. Very Good/Good. 9 x 12. 159 pages. "Pinched
Pottery and the Color of Clay". Wonderful b/w and some
color photographs. C.1972. Glossary, bibliography.
Bookseller Inventory # 1916 Price: US$ 25.00 convert
currency Presented by Books with a Past, Concord, MA,
U.S.A.
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Every time I think about buying the Rhodes book, I
step back because glaze books seem to be more
expensive . . .
Carol
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M.C. Richards wrote Centering
--- Bob Pulley wrote:
> Most of my information came from friends, teachers,
> and magazines.
>
> Books that were important to me included:
>
> Finding One's Way in Clay, Paulus Behrenson,
> Clay and Glazes or The Potter, Daniel Rhoades
> Kilns, Daniel Rhoades
> Centering (what was her name?
> I also remember a book by Garth Clark in the late
> 70's that I read in grad school and it treated the
> abstraction of the vessel seriously.
> Robert Pulley
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Edwards"
> It would be interesting to find out what is your favorite book or article on
> pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
Note: Ron & Mel. I'll reply to your posts soon (Hey Mel; I'm sort of a
Chuken Akita {Loyal Akita} about my perspective. Z;^> ) The topic is an
important one to me.
Craig, three books come immediately to mind, and I'll list them in order
of importance:
Philip Rawson's Ceramics.
Leach's book on Hamada.
Leach's The Potter's Book
These have been important companions to me while I've been
here in Japan studying. I am learning Japanese at an incredibly slow pace and
very little English is spoken at the workshop. Actually, there is very little
"chatting" about philosophical things at the workshop in any language.
Learning is done in a very traditional way: by watching and doing. So these
books are my sustainance, between trips to the pottery museums and also to the
antique shops when my friend Tatsuo is around to translate. Tatsuo is moving
back to Seattle this summer.
--
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patient in its taking away, faithful to its returns. And as much as we may
know, and all that we deserve of earthly paradise will come to us."
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Paul Herman on wed 27 feb 02
Good idea, Craig,
Pioneer Pottery by Cardew is the book that I go back to the most. I
remember my first batch of home made stoneware, as it shivered and
dunted on the living room floor. Cardew to the rescue, pointing out that
some feldspar added to the body would be a good idea. I still use that
claybody 25 years later, and when I have a problem, I go back to Cardew.
I was recently lucky enough to get my hands on a copy of "The Potter's
Alternative" by Harry Davis. Great book, in fact one of my potter
friends already made off with it, and I have to go help him fire his
wood kiln in order to get it back.
Paul in Doyle
----------
>From: Craig Edwards
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Yanagi --The education of Ellie
>Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2002, 2:22 PM
>
> This sets me to wonder if there are other gems of books out there that would
> meaningful to know about-- that I have no idea exist.
> It would be interesting to find out what is your favorite book or article on
> pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
>
> Craig Edwards
> New London MN
Longtin, Jeff on wed 27 feb 02
Carol
Great list so far! Anyone know where one can get a hard copy of Finding
One's Way With Clay?
Wouldn't you also agree that Daniel Rhodes has some worthwhile books?
I find Clay and Glazes for the Potter to be very useful. I also found his
Pottery Forms book useful as a student so many years ago.
Jeff Longtin
Complex Molds Made Easy
Minneapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Casey [mailto:ccasey1950@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:06 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Yanagi --The education of Ellie
That's a great idea . . . maybe it's been done before,
but I hope the more experienced potters will agree to
list some of the books they have found important. It
should be an interesting exercise. Here's a list, not
in order of importance:
Sawdust Firing, Karen Hessenberg
A Potter's Book, Bernard Leach
Pioneer Pottery, Michael Cardew (although it is so
technical sometimes . . .)
The Potter's Dictionary of Materials and Techniques,
Hamer and Hamer
Potworks, A first book of clay, Billy Luisi
Finding One's Way with Clay, Paulus Berensohn
Coiled Pottery, Betty Blandino
The Living Tradition of Maria Martinez, Susan Peterson
I don't have the Hamada book by Susan Peterson, but
might someday. These are books I have actually used
and read; I have others that I haven't gotten as much
out of.
Thanks Craig for a good idea.
--- Craig Edwards wrote:
> Hello;
>
> I've pulled my copy of, The Unknown Craftsman, off
> the shelf again and have
> been reading a page or two at random for maybe six
> weeks now. I have always
> been amazed at Yanagi's insight. The Unknown
> Craftsman is a book that if I
> could only have one or two books on pottery it would
> be at the top of my
> list.
> I mentioned this book to Ellie, a young potter who
> works with me. I was
> amazed that she had never heard of Yanagi's work.
> She has been making pots
> since junior high school and now has a degree in
> ceramics. I have since
> mentioned the book to several potters, most did not
> know of him or his
> writings.
> This sets me to wonder if there are other gems of
> books out there that would
> meaningful to know about-- that I have no idea
> exist.
> It would be interesting to find out what is your
> favorite book or article on
> pottery. A sort of Clayart Top Ten List.
>
> Craig Edwards
> New London MN
>
>
>
>
>
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Bob Pulley on wed 27 feb 02
Most of my information came from friends, teachers, and magazines.
Books that were important to me included:
Finding One's Way in Clay, Paulus Behrenson,
Clay and Glazes or The Potter, Daniel Rhoades
Kilns, Daniel Rhoades
Centering (what was her name?
I also remember a book by Garth Clark in the late 70's that I read in grad =
school and it treated the abstraction of the vessel seriously.
Robert Pulley
Steve Mills on thu 28 feb 02
In message , Longtin, Jeff writes
>Wouldn't you also agree that Daniel Rhodes has some worthwhile books?
>I find Clay and Glazes for the Potter to be very useful.
When I was a Student many years ago we always, somewhat irreverently,
referred to *A Potters Book* and *Clay and Glazes for the Potter* as
*The Old Testament, Books 1 & 2*
They were required reading at College above anything else.
I would put Nils' book *The Art of Firing* pretty high on the list as
well.
Steve
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Craig Edwards on thu 28 feb 02
Hi;
There have been some books being mentioned that I haven't thought of in a long time. Old friends. Brings back so many memories.
I would have to say that Ceramic Glazes by Parmalee was a major influence. I think that at one time or another chapters were in my memory, by nessity. This book isn't as intuitive as most of the books on the list so far, but it does tickle your intellect!
Carol you do know your books! Very cool.
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Carol Casey on thu 28 feb 02
Craig,
Thanks for the information on the Parmalee glaze book.
I'll see if I can find it . . . and actually shell out
the money, too.
If only I knew pottery as well as books.
Carol
--- Craig Edwards wrote:
Hi;
There have been some books being mentioned that I
haven't thought of in a long time. Old friends.
Brings back so many memories.
I would have to say that Ceramic Glazes by
Parmalee was a major influence. I think that at one
time or another chapters were in my memory, by
nessity. This book isn't as intuitive as most of the
books on the list so far, but it does tickle your
intellect!
Carol you do know your books! Very cool.
Craig Edwards
New London MN
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Stephani Stephenson on thu 28 feb 02
Robert
"Centering" and "The Crossing Point"
were written by M.C.(Mary Caroline) Richards
Treasure my copies of both
Stephani Stephenson
Longtin, Jeff on thu 28 feb 02
Carol,
For anyone using plaster and having a real curiosity about the other side of
ceramics: Fine Ceramics by E.F. Norton is truely amazing. It was published
in the 50's but it gives chemical breakdowns and recipes of industrial clay
bodies, industrial glazes, etc. The authors also discuss properties of
plaster. Do you want to know the clay recipe of ceramic insulators used on
power lines, its in there! Do you want to know the effect of hot air on
drying plaster or water temperature on setting plaster its in there! (Did
you know plaster breaks down when exposed to air hotter than 150 degrees?)
Jeff Longtin
Complex Molds Made Easy
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From: Carol Casey [mailto:ccasey1950@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:10 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Yanagi --The education of Ellie
Craig,
Thanks for the information on the Parmalee glaze book.
I'll see if I can find it . . . and actually shell out
the money, too.
If only I knew pottery as well as books.
Carol
--- Craig Edwards wrote:
Hi;
There have been some books being mentioned that I
haven't thought of in a long time. Old friends.
Brings back so many memories.
I would have to say that Ceramic Glazes by
Parmalee was a major influence. I think that at one
time or another chapters were in my memory, by
nessity. This book isn't as intuitive as most of the
books on the list so far, but it does tickle your
intellect!
Carol you do know your books! Very cool.
Craig Edwards
New London MN
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Carol Casey on thu 28 feb 02
What is it with the fifties? I found another book on
ceramics, the industrial side of ceramics, on
abebooks, from the 50s, which of course I can't
remember the name of.
And no, I did not know that plaster breaks down in air
hotter than 150°. Which I suppose is one reason not to
have it in one's clay.
Carol
--- "Longtin, Jeff"
wrote:
> Carol,
> For anyone using plaster and having a real curiosity
> about the other side of
> ceramics: Fine Ceramics by E.F. Norton is truely
> amazing. It was published
> in the 50's but it gives chemical breakdowns and
> recipes of industrial clay
> bodies, industrial glazes, etc. The authors also
> discuss properties of
> plaster. Do you want to know the clay recipe of
> ceramic insulators used on
> power lines, its in there! Do you want to know the
> effect of hot air on
> drying plaster or water temperature on setting
> plaster its in there! (Did
> you know plaster breaks down when exposed to air
> hotter than 150 degrees?)
> Jeff Longtin
> Complex Molds Made Easy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Casey [mailto:ccasey1950@YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:10 AM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Yanagi --The education of Ellie
>
>
> Craig,
>
> Thanks for the information on the Parmalee glaze
> book.
> I'll see if I can find it . . . and actually shell
> out
> the money, too.
>
> If only I knew pottery as well as books.
>
> Carol
>
> --- Craig Edwards wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi;
> There have been some books being mentioned that I
> haven't thought of in a long time. Old
> friends.
> Brings back so many memories.
> I would have to say that Ceramic Glazes by
> Parmalee was a major influence. I think that at one
> time or another chapters were in my memory, by
> nessity. This book isn't as intuitive as most of the
> books on the list so far, but it does tickle your
> intellect!
> Carol you do know your books! Very
> cool.
> Craig Edwards
> New London MN
>
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James Bowen on sat 2 mar 02
It has been done before, but that was a year or two ago.
Maybe the newbies to the list have some different ideas
about books that should be read. I am interested in the
newly revised editions of formerly out of print books. I
hope to check them out at NCECA and see if I really need the
revised edition of Out of the Earth and into the Fire. I
also will have a look at that cone 6 glaze book that has
been so widely praised on this list.
I have nearly two hundred books out here on the ranch.
Two that are interesting, but hard to find and rarely seen
are "Grand Feu Ceramics" by Taxile Doat, and "Ornaments and
Surfaces on Ceramics" by Hildergard Storr-Britz.
.
The "Ceramics Handbooks" series by A&C Black/Gentle Breeze
publishing seem to be great values on specific subjects. I
can recommend "Impressed and Incised Ceramics" by Coll
Minogue, "Soda Glazing" by RuthAnn Tudball, "Throwing Pots"
by Phil Rogers.
The above are interesting "how to" books.
Some interesting "potters work and philosophy books" are
"Potters Challenge" and "Potters Work" by or about Bernard
Leach. "Invisible Core" and Pottery Form and Expression" by
Wildenhain
From the historical perspective the Heibonsha Survey of
Japanese Art series Volume 29 and volume 26, and The
Japanese Arts Library book "Shino and Oribe Ceramics. are
tough to beat.
An excellent book at a great price is "Inside Japanese
Ceramics" by Wilson. At twenty bucks it is a must have book
on the history and making of the subject along with a clear
explanation of the tools and the techniques to create them.
I would much rather see reviews by users than by
booksellers.
If any of you have or find a clean copy of "Teco: The Art
Pottery of the Prairie School" by The Erie Art Museum be
advised the current value runs $400-$600. If it ever gets
reprinted expect that value to drop
Stay Centered
James Bowen
Boyero CO
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James Bowen on sat 2 mar 02
One of the most interesting books to read if you can find it
is "A Monk at the Potters Wheel." "Here is an account of a
Cistercian monk's successful attempt to establish in his
Abbey the traditional craft of pottery. This book is
enriched with the spirit and philosophy-often humorous and
always human- of a monk who, having shown some skill at
sculpture and wood-carving built his own kiln within the
abbey. He uses local clays and makes his own glazes from raw
materials found on the spot, just as Father Potter of
Fountains Abbey may have done." Terrific read.
Stay Centered
James Bowen
Boyero CO
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