Joyce Lee on sun 3 mar 02
Have you seen the cover of the latest Ceramics Monthly ..... the one =
with the
wild teapot on it? I have... and I could
spit for not having worked faster, been smarter and completed more work =
on my OWN teapots before Ray Bub completed a major series of his =
Reassembled Ring Teapots. For months, off&on, interspersed with other =
avenues I'm attempting to follow, I've made teapots of a similar =
appearance, albeit using a different process. I've used mostly =
extrusions combined with thrown parts; in some cases, both the =
extrusions and the thrown work have been altered. I was inspired ..... =
not by pots at all.... but by an intricate drawing a tablemate was =
"doodling" at a Council meeting at ACers..... a talented young man. His =
work dredged up from the recesses of ancient history buried in my mind =
.... a bulletin board I once did of such "doodle" drawings I'd been =
confiscating from one of my students over a couple years time...
made a terrific display. (I'd like to say that he went on to become an =
artist, but he's teaching math at either Stanford or Berkley ... can =
never keep them straight. ) All these drawings merged apparently, and =
exited into my consciousness as teapots.... teapots that I wanted to =
make for myself .... not for show nor for sale..... but to see where =
they would take me.
Of course, I'm also still processing how to make such convoluted pieces =
... that also function well as teapots. I'll continue .... but now the =
task will be not to look at Bub's teapots again .... so that I'm not =
simply imitating his work. Funny, I've even used similar colors, though =
mine were ^10.
I'll bet you've had this happen to you .... think you're being original =
(though "originality" in this case was not the objective ..... I was =
following my nose, nothing more.) ..... only to discover that "your" =
work has already been done .. and perhaps done and done again by one or =
more potters who preceded you. Very annoying, isn't it?
Eleven went to the dump this morning ....=20
looked crude ..... not like an idea, or a dream, carried to fruition, =
which was my hope .....
Joyce
In the Mojave
L. P. Skeen on mon 4 mar 02
Tommy,
The guy who was in CM with this technique was at NCECA last year, blowign up
pots in the vendor area. I had totally forgotten about it til you said
this.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Humphries"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Latest CM
> Joyce,
>
> I know EXACTLY what you are talking about...
>
> Several years ago I came up with a technique of making small odd shaped
pots
> using firecrackers inserted into the clay...made several and Raku fired
> them, gave many away, saved a few for myself, haven't done it
> since...figgured it was just an interesting diversion for that afternoon,
> playing if you will.
>
> Then last year, there on the cover of CM, what do I see??? Hundreds of
> little firecracker pots! How dare they steal my technique...I was
> insensed...flabbergasted...my little play pots ON THE COVER OF CM. Now
> when someone sees the few I still have sitting on the shelves, they
> naturally assume that they are copies of those from CM...never mind that
the
> date is 5 years before that issue came out.
>
> Oh well, at least I know in my heart that they are an original idea.
>
> For those who want to try it, take a wad of fairly soft clay say 3"
> diameter...insert firecracker into the center of ball with fuse sticking
> out. set on ground and light fuse...BANG... if luck was with you you'r
ball
> of clay is now twice as large as it was...inflated like a balloon. Now
for
> the decoration. stick another firecracker through the wall of inflated
pot
> just past halfway. sit pot on ground and light fuse....BANG... now where
> that firecracker blew up there is an eruption of clay from the side of the
> pot, looks like the impact of a meteor frozen in time, or one of those
> strobeoscopic photos of a drop of water hitting a pool.
>
> Very cool effect.
>
> Tommy
>
>
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Tommy Humphries on mon 4 mar 02
Joyce,
I know EXACTLY what you are talking about...
Several years ago I came up with a technique of making small odd shaped pots
using firecrackers inserted into the clay...made several and Raku fired
them, gave many away, saved a few for myself, haven't done it
since...figgured it was just an interesting diversion for that afternoon,
playing if you will.
Then last year, there on the cover of CM, what do I see??? Hundreds of
little firecracker pots! How dare they steal my technique...I was
insensed...flabbergasted...my little play pots ON THE COVER OF CM. Now
when someone sees the few I still have sitting on the shelves, they
naturally assume that they are copies of those from CM...never mind that the
date is 5 years before that issue came out.
Oh well, at least I know in my heart that they are an original idea.
For those who want to try it, take a wad of fairly soft clay say 3"
diameter...insert firecracker into the center of ball with fuse sticking
out. set on ground and light fuse...BANG... if luck was with you you'r ball
of clay is now twice as large as it was...inflated like a balloon. Now for
the decoration. stick another firecracker through the wall of inflated pot
just past halfway. sit pot on ground and light fuse....BANG... now where
that firecracker blew up there is an eruption of clay from the side of the
pot, looks like the impact of a meteor frozen in time, or one of those
strobeoscopic photos of a drop of water hitting a pool.
Very cool effect.
Tommy
BVCuma on tue 5 mar 02
> Several years ago I came up with a technique of making small odd shaped
pots
> using firecrackers inserted into the clay...made several and Raku fired
> them,
> Then last year, there on the cover of CM, what do I see??? Hundreds of
> little firecracker pots!
...never mind that the
> date is 5 years before that issue came out.
>
> Oh well, at least I know in my heart that they are an original idea.
_________________
Hey Tommy
I did that technique
'bout 14yrs back....
Rakued 'em too.
Made some masks
with the "Blown" effect.
Just playin around...
When I seen them in CM,
I didn't think they were worth
the effort of being articled in the mag...
Let alone getting on the cover.
I'll bet pyromaniac's down the ages have been
trying to blow stuff up.... including clay.
Thats an easy one.
Bruce ; )
ps. here in India you can get
damn near small bombs round Holi festivel.
Will do some major damage this time sometime.
KLeSueur@AOL.COM on tue 5 mar 02
In a message dated Sun, 3 Mar 2002 8:13:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joyce Lee writes:
Have you seen the cover of the latest Ceramics Monthly..... the one with the wild teapot on it? I have... and I could spit for not having worked faster
I'll bet you've had this happen to you .... think you're being original... Very annoying, isn't it?>>
Once my partner and I were working on a slab dinnerware line. We had it all designed, the forms made. But hadn 't actually made pieces and put it into production. We went to visit a friend in Iowa. She showed us her new dinnerware. The same almost to the smallest detail. We came home and junked the design. She was out there with it first.
The best quote I've ever seen is "Originality is failure to remember."
Kathi LeSueur
David Hendley on tue 5 mar 02
Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
Texas State University with Ken Havis.
I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
stole MY idea.
Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Humphries"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Latest CM
> Joyce,
>
> I know EXACTLY what you are talking about...
>
> Several years ago I came up with a technique of making small odd shaped
pots
> using firecrackers inserted into the clay...made several and Raku fired
> them, gave many away, saved a few for myself, haven't done it
> since...figgured it was just an interesting diversion for that afternoon,
> playing if you will.
>
> Then last year, there on the cover of CM, what do I see??? Hundreds of
> little firecracker pots! How dare they steal my technique...I was
> insensed...flabbergasted...my little play pots ON THE COVER OF CM. Now
> when someone sees the few I still have sitting on the shelves, they
> naturally assume that they are copies of those from CM...never mind that
the
> date is 5 years before that issue came out.
>
> Oh well, at least I know in my heart that they are an original idea.
>
> For those who want to try it, take a wad of fairly soft clay say 3"
> diameter...insert firecracker into the center of ball with fuse sticking
> out. set on ground and light fuse...BANG... if luck was with you you'r
ball
> of clay is now twice as large as it was...inflated like a balloon. Now
for
> the decoration. stick another firecracker through the wall of inflated
pot
> just past halfway. sit pot on ground and light fuse....BANG... now where
> that firecracker blew up there is an eruption of clay from the side of the
> pot, looks like the impact of a meteor frozen in time, or one of those
> strobeoscopic photos of a drop of water hitting a pool.
>
> Very cool effect.
>
> Tommy
>
Dannon Rhudy on tue 5 mar 02
At 08:30 AM 3/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
>Texas State University with Ken Havis.
>I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
>stole MY idea.
>Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
>
My undergrad college prof showed us how to make those pots
in 1990 - said it was original with HIM. Now I don't know
WHAT to think- what'll I do what'll I do....
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Michelle Lowe on tue 5 mar 02
Funny, I thought it was my son's idea when we did it back when he was about
8, and we were homeschooling, gotta love science class at home!
He's 16 now so I guess we were a little later than you guys ;-)
Mish
At 08:30 AM 3/5/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
>Texas State University with Ken Havis.
>I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
>stole MY idea.
>Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
>
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Michelle Lowe potter in the Phoenix desert
http://www.desertdragonpottery.com
Mishy@desertdragonpottery.com
mishlowe@amug.org
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Carole Rishel on tue 5 mar 02
=20
Last night on the History channel, they were talking about who invented =
the telephone. Seems one guy (Rice) in Germany invented a type of device=
that would conduct sound. Then, years later Bell and another guy (I for=
got his name) were inventing the phone at the same time unbeknown to each=
other. Bell happened to get his application to the patent office a few =
hours before the other guy (still don't remember the name!). Stuff like =
this happens all the time. We're all connected - the universe is all One=
Thing!
Carole Rishel
kallahcee@msn.com
Smithville, TX
Burns Christina on tue 5 mar 02
OK, now I need to see what firecracker pots look like. Sounds like
something my boys would love to do! . Which issue in CM are they in?
L. Christina Burns
Ottawa University
Student Development Office
1001 S Cedar, #2
Ottawa, KS 66067
burnsc@ottawa.edu
Cindi Anderson on tue 5 mar 02
I am always amazed how 10 people in a workshop doing the "exact same thing"
come up with 10 completely different looking things. It seems we bring so
much else to a piece than a technique that changes it. So I see that on one
hand, and on the other that the same thing is ultimately created by
different people. It is a paradox. Or maybe just yin and yang.
Cindi
Fremont, CA
Carl Finch on tue 5 mar 02
At 11:20 AM 3/5/02 -0600, Dannon Rhudy wrote:
>At 08:30 AM 3/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
> >Texas State University with Ken Havis.
> >I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
> >stole MY idea.
> >Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
> >
>
>My undergrad college prof showed us how to make those pots
>in 1990 - said it was original with HIM.
I recollects doing that as a boy in 1946--my Grampa showed me how.
>Now I don't know
>WHAT to think- what'll I do what'll I do....
Just goes to show ya, "The first liar doesn't have a chance!" (old saying)
--Carl (whose Grampa never actually showed him much of anything) ;-)
Lori Leary on tue 5 mar 02
Hey, now wait jist a minute! You all are a buncha good fer nuttin' wascally
thieves!
I saw someone (a Japanese fellow, I think) on T.V. making firecracker pots
quite a while back...think it was CBS Sunday morning with Charles Kuralt (he
was still alive then).
Oh lordy, my bubble is burst...and just before NCECA!
Lori L.
lleary@epix.net
> At 08:30 AM 3/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
> >Texas State University with Ken Havis.
> >I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
> >stole MY idea.
> >Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
> >
>
> My undergrad college prof showed us how to make those pots
> in 1990 - said it was original with HIM. Now I don't know
> WHAT to think- what'll I do what'll I do....
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
Michele Williams on tue 5 mar 02
Fellow MudBuddies,
I think I heard someone say "Ain't nuthin' new under the sun."
I believe that's probably true when it comes to the works of Man (including
clay pots) but every time a baby is born, it's a whole new being and the
whole world is new to that being. After that, it's all pretty much
repetition, reiteration, and
celebration of every variation on that theme.
The variety of variations is what makes life interesting, the people with
whom we do those variations fills that life with friendship, and those who
love us for what we do and those we love for what they do fill us with love.
The variations in that theme are infinite, and there are no patents
available or needed.
No matter what you do with that clay pot, the mud still belongs to God,
before you touched it, while you touch it, when you sell it, and after you
die. Perspective: God loves all his MudBuddies. You can't get more out of
it than that, no matter how you squeeze it.
The Indians were right. God, the Original Potter, made all the mud, and
it's still all his. We just pretend it's ours while we're fighting over it.
NCECA should have a Mud Ceremony--huge bowl of wet clay, everyone gets both
hands good and messy, then link hands in a circle and repeat "Earth to
earth, dust to dust, if I must wait 'til then, then wait I must. But clay
is here and it's now today; We are all one when messing with clay."
Michele Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Leary"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Latest CM
> Hey, now wait jist a minute! You all are a buncha good fer nuttin'
wascally
> thieves!
>
> I saw someone (a Japanese fellow, I think) on T.V. making firecracker pots
> quite a while back...think it was CBS Sunday morning with Charles Kuralt
(he
> was still alive then).
>
> Oh lordy, my bubble is burst...and just before NCECA!
>
> Lori L.
> lleary@epix.net
>
> > At 08:30 AM 3/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
> > >Texas State University with Ken Havis.
> > >I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
> > >stole MY idea.
> > >Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
> > >
> >
> > My undergrad college prof showed us how to make those pots
> > in 1990 - said it was original with HIM. Now I don't know
> > WHAT to think- what'll I do what'll I do....
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Dannon Rhudy
>
>
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David Hendley on tue 5 mar 02
I'm just glad I don't want to make a pot of tea and my only
choices for a teapot to use are the ones in this issue of
Ceramics Monthly.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com
Ned Ludd on tue 5 mar 02
I agree with David. Let professional potters dare to _use_, yes use,
their own pots!
How I hate the abuse of the good word teapot. Call this piece on the
CM cover a sculpture, call it self expression, a statement, whatever,
just don't call it something it is not. It's lying, it's fakery.
A teapot is for tea. Brewing it and pouring it. If it does not do
that well it it is either a bad teapot, or yet another, more-or-less
entertaining, ceramic gesture or well-worn joke. Face it, they are
everywhere these days and I wonder when we potters will feel we've
had enough, and are ready for the real thing again.. pots that truly
and honestly and beautifully work.
best
Ned
David Hendley wrote:
>I'm just glad I don't want to make a pot of tea and my only
>choices for a teapot to use are the ones in this issue of
>Ceramics Monthly.
>David Hendley
>Maydelle, Texas
>hendley@tyler.net
>http://www.farmpots.com
vince pitelka on tue 5 mar 02
> Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
> Texas State University with Ken Havis.
> I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
> stole MY idea.
> Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
I'm pretty sure that the Jomon Potters of late Paleolithic Japan 12,000
years ago got the idea for their rough, gestural, perforated surfaces from
some guy doing firecracker pots.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Alisa og Claus Clausen on wed 6 mar 02
As I heard it, Bill Gates beat out a much smaller company by some days
and better pestering or salesmanship.
regards from Alisa in Denmark
Roger Korn on wed 6 mar 02
When DID the Chinese start making firecrackers? They invented gunpowder.
Firecracker pots were probably invented about 10 minutes later.
Roger
Dannon Rhudy wrote:
> At 08:30 AM 3/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Tommy, I did firecracker pots in 1975, in college at North
> >Texas State University with Ken Havis.
> >I thought that guy at NCECA, from the cover of CM last year,
> >stole MY idea.
> >Wait, you also stole my idea. What's the deal?
> >
>
> My undergrad college prof showed us how to make those pots
> in 1990 - said it was original with HIM. Now I don't know
> WHAT to think- what'll I do what'll I do....
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
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Cindy Strnad on wed 6 mar 02
For any of you who are interested, comments are open for the latest CM at the
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to click on a link which will take you to the magazine's current issue site.
There, you can see many of the pots we are talking about for yourself.
See you there! :)
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