primalmommy on tue 2 apr 02
I mailed off two pieces to the cone box show that I loved so much I
could hardly let go of the package at the post office... when I read the
list of folks whose work was accepted and my name was not on it, I
sighed and decided that my stuff must be dorkier than I thought.
Then I got a note in the mail saying my 2 entries "arrived severely
broken". I assume they won't be returning the remains for burial.
If I am going to feel sorry for myself I can sigh over losing two pieces
I really was proud of, due to sloppy packing on my part (and I DO know
better)...
But if I want to be an optomist, I can convince myself that if they
HADN'T arrived broken, well, surely my name would have been on the list!
Ah well... next year...
Yours, Kelly in Ohio.. reading the current thread on education and
feeling rather smug about homeschooling.... when family pressured me to
have my precocious son tested for IQ, I said, whatever for? Grandparent
bragging rights? No way. We don't have to worry about special placement
or gifted programs.. and nobody is allowed to use the G word in his
presence. With no grade levels, scores, or competition, he assumes all
kids are just like him, maybe just smart about different things. I think
he's right.
My friend Val tested with a high IQ as a child, and here's what she
says: "Everytime I did something brilliant, I heard, 'easy for you,
you're gifted". Everytime I did something stupid, I heard, "and YOU are
supposed to be GIFTED?" Folks meant well telling me I would find a cure
for cancer or be an astronaut or something... now I'm grown up, a
wonderful wife and mother, and good at many things, but I always feel
like a failure because I'm not walking the moon or curing cancer...."
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Barbara Brown on wed 1 may 02
I sent a small waterbasin to the cone box show, was able to get out to
see the show, saw my piece in the show so know it made it unbroken and
was accepted in the show. I have not received my piece back or any
correspondence from the show except the notice that I was accepted. Has
anyone else had this experience.
Barbara
Barbara Brown phone/fax 408-736-3889
1225 Manzano Way,Sunnyvale,Ca. 94089
http://www.silverhawk.com/crafts/bbrown97
email: bbrown3@webtv.net
cell phone 408-482-9459
Bacia Edelman on wed 1 may 02
Well, Barbara, thanks to you I know that my little ewer
made it unbroken because you saw it during NCECA.
I actually submitted two, one was NOT accepted and it
was returned ---alive--o.k.!
Maybe we all live on the edge of cliffs when we ship very
special pieces out----except if work is accepted in Ceramics,
USA and Dannon Rhudy or Doug Gray have anything to do
with the return packing.
Regards,
Bacia,
having left the stone age and test driving my brand new
Coneart Kiln with an electronic programmer --first one in my
life. I have to fire it to cone 019 (didn't have 020 around)
and then next time (empty again) to cone 6.
I am flying into the space age.
At 05:37 AM 05/01/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I sent a small waterbasin to the cone box show, was able to get out to
>see the show, saw my piece in the show so know it made it unbroken and
>was accepted in the show. I have not received my piece back or any
>correspondence from the show except the notice that I was accepted. Has
>anyone else had this experience.
>Barbara
>
>Barbara Brown phone/fax 408-736-3889
>1225 Manzano Way,Sunnyvale,Ca. 94089
>http://www.silverhawk.com/crafts/bbrown97
>email: bbrown3@webtv.net
> cell phone 408-482-9459
>
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Jocelyn McAuley on wed 1 may 02
Hi Barbara
I have a friend who did not even receive a notice about being accepted. I
noticed her name of the email sent to Clayart, and notified her. She too
has not had any correspondence (just to let you know you have
company). Try contacting someone off of the orton website.
http://ortonceramic.com
Given that it seems one person was running the show, it could be very
likely that contact information may have been lost.
Good luck
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Marie Gibbons on wed 1 may 02
bbrown3@WEBTV.NET writes:
> I sent a small waterbasin to the cone box show, was able to get out to
> see the show, saw my piece in the show so know it made it unbroken and
> was accepted in the show. I have not received my piece back or any
> correspondence from the show except the notice that I was accepted. Has
> anyone else had this experience.
> Barbara
>
It was my understanding that the show travels for 2 years. I got into the
2000 show, and received that work back in 2001... maybe that isnt' the way
it
is this year? I don't know. I am interested in knowing who the award
artists were, has anyone seen the listing of those?
marie gibbons
www.oooladies.com
Marta Matray Gloviczki on wed 1 may 02
Barbara,
call Inge Balch, ceramics prof at Baker University Kansas
she is the one running the orton cone box show.
the number of the U
785-594-4537
785-594-6451
#537
good luck,
marta
Jocelyn McAuley wrote:
>Given that it seems one person was running the show, it could be very
>likely that contact information may have been lost.
>
Marcia Selsor on thu 2 may 02
Excuse me, but if they made $18,000 on entry fees they could hire some help.
Marcia in Montana
Joseph Herbert wrote:
>
> Jocelyn McAuley wrote: I have a friend who did not even receive a notice
> about being accepted....
>
> It is interesting that the original post generated a thread about packing,
> not surprising, and whining about not being notified.
>
> Hello!?! the woman has over 600 objects from different people to deal
with
> and it's not her job, it's something she has VOLUNTEERED to do. Hello!?!
>
> I think I need to work on seeing everything through that one-way glass of
> self-interest...
>
> Of course, some people can't see the point because it is obscured by
> headgear - theirs.
>
> Joseph Herbert
>
>
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Joseph Herbert on thu 2 may 02
Jocelyn McAuley wrote: I have a friend who did not even receive a notice
about being accepted....
It is interesting that the original post generated a thread about packing,
not surprising, and whining about not being notified.
Hello!?! the woman has over 600 objects from different people to deal with
and it's not her job, it's something she has VOLUNTEERED to do. Hello!?!
I think I need to work on seeing everything through that one-way glass of
self-interest...
Of course, some people can't see the point because it is obscured by
headgear - theirs.
Joseph Herbert
Julie Milazzo on thu 2 may 02
Joseph,
while I understand that people volunteer to
choose pieces for the shows, and probably do not have
the time to necessarily respond to everyone, it is
also difficult to be on the end of creating, getting
slides made, filling out the paperwork, and paying
money to enter a show, only to be met with nothing.
Yes, people work hard to put on shows, but so do
artists, and a simple rejection/acceptance letter is
just a common courtesy (or is there any such thing
anymore?).
Many of these shows even have you send in a self
addressed stamped envelope, so there's really no
excuse not to stick a form letter in an envelope and
stick it in a box. That's, what, five seconds spent
per applicant? How much time have the artists put into
the pieces they are submitting? Of course there's some
self interest! These people have to plan for the show
(if they're in it), or figure out what other options
are if they're not.
It does need to be a two way street, but if you
pay for something (and some of these shows are really
expensive), don't you think you should get something?
It doesn't seem that hard, and I don't think that the
potter(s) you blasted as self-interested are doing or
thinking anything wrong! here's an idea! Don't notify
anyone! Let them guess if they're in or not, and see
how much fun it is at the reception. Sounds like you
may have had some harsh personal experiece, but
perhaps you have already done a good job of seeing
things through that "one-way glass of self interest".
Julie
--- Joseph Herbert wrote:
> Jocelyn McAuley wrote: I have a friend who did not
> even receive a notice
> about being accepted....
>
> It is interesting that the original post generated a
> thread about packing,
> not surprising, and whining about not being
> notified.
>
> Hello!?! the woman has over 600 objects from
> different people to deal with
> and it's not her job, it's something she has
> VOLUNTEERED to do. Hello!?!
>
> I think I need to work on seeing everything through
> that one-way glass of
> self-interest...
>
> Of course, some people can't see the point because
> it is obscured by
> headgear - theirs.
>
> Joseph Herbert
>
>
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Mitsuru Cope on thu 2 may 02
Inge Balch's e-mail: balch@harvey.bakeru.edu
Mitsuru
> Barbara,
>
> call Inge Balch, ceramics prof at Baker University Kansas
> she is the one running the orton cone box show.
>
> the number of the U
> 785-594-4537
> 785-594-6451
> #537
>
> good luck,
> marta
>
>
> Jocelyn McAuley wrote:
>
>> Given that it seems one person was running the show, it could be very
>> likely that contact information may have been lost.
>>
>
>
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Jocelyn McAuley on thu 2 may 02
Dear Joseph,
I wish you had read the rest of my email instead of jumping on the first
line. Anyway...
I agree it is noble of her to volunteer to run this show- however that
does not negate our ability to point out that *help would likely let
things run even smoother*. Being a single volunteer on a project this
large is not a good idea, nor does that excuse her from not notifying the
entriants from what is going on.
My point is not to criticize, but to help direct people to other
communication avenues. So enough with the "hellos" ok?
> Jocelyn McAuley wrote: I have a friend who did not even receive a notice
> about being accepted....
>
> It is interesting that the original post generated a thread about packing,
> not surprising, and whining about not being notified.
>
> Hello!?! the woman has over 600 objects from different people to deal
with
> and it's not her job, it's something she has VOLUNTEERED to do. Hello!?!
>
> I think I need to work on seeing everything through that one-way glass of
> self-interest...
--
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Eugene, Oregon http://www.ceramicism.com
Becky Nordmeyer on thu 2 may 02
Julie, calm down a bit lol ;)!
Can you honestly say that you do not have a "one-way glass of self
interest"? Would everyone around you agree with that? Are you absolutley
sure about your own "common courtesies".
I'm not that "against" some of your points though?
>From: Julie Milazzo
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: cone box show
>Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:39:57 -0700
>
>Joseph,
> while I understand that people volunteer to
>choose pieces for the shows, and probably do not have
>the time to necessarily respond to everyone, it is
>also difficult to be on the end of creating, getting
>slides made, filling out the paperwork, and paying
>money to enter a show, only to be met with nothing.
>Yes, people work hard to put on shows, but so do
>artists, and a simple rejection/acceptance letter is
>just a common courtesy (or is there any such thing
>anymore?).
> Many of these shows even have you send in a self
>addressed stamped envelope, so there's really no
>excuse not to stick a form letter in an envelope and
>stick it in a box. That's, what, five seconds spent
>per applicant? How much time have the artists put into
>the pieces they are submitting? Of course there's some
>self interest! These people have to plan for the show
>(if they're in it), or figure out what other options
>are if they're not.
> It does need to be a two way street, but if you
>pay for something (and some of these shows are really
>expensive), don't you think you should get something?
>It doesn't seem that hard, and I don't think that the
>potter(s) you blasted as self-interested are doing or
>thinking anything wrong! here's an idea! Don't notify
>anyone! Let them guess if they're in or not, and see
>how much fun it is at the reception. Sounds like you
>may have had some harsh personal experiece, but
>perhaps you have already done a good job of seeing
>things through that "one-way glass of self interest".
>Julie
>
>
>--- Joseph Herbert wrote:
> > Jocelyn McAuley wrote: I have a friend who did not
> > even receive a notice
> > about being accepted....
> >
> > It is interesting that the original post generated a
> > thread about packing,
> > not surprising, and whining about not being
> > notified.
> >
> > Hello!?! the woman has over 600 objects from
> > different people to deal with
> > and it's not her job, it's something she has
> > VOLUNTEERED to do. Hello!?!
> >
> > I think I need to work on seeing everything through
> > that one-way glass of
> > self-interest...
> >
> > Of course, some people can't see the point because
> > it is obscured by
> > headgear - theirs.
> >
> > Joseph Herbert
> >
> >
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Frederich, Tim on fri 3 may 02
Good morning,
I would like to make a few comments on the Orton Cone Box Show. This show
is organized, hosted by and completely put together by Baker University in
Lawrence, Kansas. The person responsible for doing all of this is Inge
Balch. Inge, along with some student help, manages to do all of this while
also handling her teaching responsibilities and other faculty requirements.
I personally applaud the effort that she puts into this show.
I go out to the University for the jurying process. I have seen the poorly
packed pieces and the pieces that are well packed. Most pieces are packed
properly. Jurying this show is an awesome task with hundreds of small
delicate pieces to unpack and place out on tables for the jurors to inspect.
It is also a wonderful sight to see all of these great pieces in one
location. Unfortunately not all of the work can be placed in the show.
Inge does try to notify everyone if the pieces are accepted into the show
and to return the other work in a reasonable amount of time. We realize
that there may be omissions or mistakes . Please contact Inge at Baker
University if you have questions about the show or an entry. Her e-mail is:
Inge.balch@bakeru.edu
Orton is one of the main sponsers of the show. Our funds along with the
other contributions and entry fees are used to pay Juror's fees and expense,
promotion, awards, return shipping, and many other expenses involved in
putting together an international show of this caliber. There is usually
very little money left and this is put in the pot for the next show. I get
to read the balance statement from each show and I know how the money is
spent.
Orton is proud to be part of this wonderful exibition and appreciate all of
the effort of Baker University and Inge Balch.
Best regards,
Tim Frederich
Veena Raghavan on sat 4 may 02
I have been following the thread on the Orton Cone Box Show. Although
Clayart is a fine place to tell of one's bad experiences with suppliers,
equipment, fairs, competitions, and so on, I do think that, before doing
so, one should contact the person or persons involved, try to find out mo=
re
about what is happening, and resolve the issues before airing everything =
on
Clayart.
Before trying to enter the Show this year, I asked for help on Clayart
about the dimensions, and many were kind enough to respond and provide me=
with information. I also got a letter from the daughter of the founder,
Bill Bracker, in which she told me the history of why he started the Show=
.
It was fascinating. It was because of this that I decided to enter the
Show. Inge Balch took over the Show and has been running it for years. I
think it is wonderful that Bill Bracker's commitment to potters and potte=
ry
lives on after his death, and that Inge Balch nurtures and runs this Show=
on top of everything else that she has to do.
I am so glad that Tim Frederich decided to say a few words about the Show=
and to explain a little about the situation. Thank you Tim. I think we al=
l
need to realize the volume Inge Balch has to handle, the amount of work
involved, and maybe we should exercise a little more patience. Before
posting on Clayart, we need to write to her and find out what about our
work. Personally, I would give her more time before doing so. I think it =
is
wonderful that she has taken on this major task, and we should be full of=
admiration rather than complaints.
I recently had a bad experience with a major piece of equipment, but I
tried to resolve the problem with the company rather than complain on
Clayart. It took a long time, but it was resolved in the end. It is so ea=
sy
for us to access this forum, but perhaps we should use every other resour=
ce
first before posting our complaints. Clayart has become a powerful entity=
,
but it needs to be used with care.
Thank you all for "listening".
All the best.
Veena
Veena Raghavan
75124.2520@compuserve.com
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