Hank Murrow on sun 14 apr 02
Joyce wrote;
>Hank Murrow said:
> " BTW, sometime take one of those clunkers that has the nice
>shino firecolor and break it. My bet is that the glaze is white just
>under all that red!"
>----------------------------------------------------------
>I must be maturing as a potter.... very mature otherwise .....
>mature as in old.... but I had no trouble following your suggestion
>that I break one of my precious pots ...... Smarty Hank. You're
>right. The glaze IS white under the red/orange. I thought I
>wouldn't be able to even recognize it .... wasn't sure I "got" what
>you were talking about. But I did. Thrilled me.
>
>I know for a long time when experienced potters would talk about the
>manner in which a reduction fired glaze, properly melted, would
>"meld" to the pot so that you couldn't tell where the glaze ended
>and the clay began .... which they said was not true of a pot from
>an oxidation firing .... I had no idea of what they were speaking
>.... none. For a long time. Finally, one day I did see such a
>difference.
>Nice. (However, I still am not sure what the shouting's about if
>it's all that difficult to detect, in the first place ......)
>
>And, Ms Rhudy, you're just as much a Smarty as Hank ...... Dannon
>told me that the shino on this refired pot, which dramatically
>changed color in a bisque firing, would be a Very Thin Layer.
>
>Now...... I understand that the "thin layer" business is so, and
>that Hank was saying the same thing but was asking me to see it for
>myself...... what I don't get is ..... does it make some sort of
>difference whether or not the layer is thin IF it's the color for
>which you hoped, and you don't know unless you break it?
And Hank replies;
Yes, Joyce, it DOES make a difference as Joe Bennion found to
his chagrin. He made an order of 500 pieces for a restaurant in
Provo, only to find that the footrings were rubbing the shino color
right off the fronts of the plates they were stacked on in the
restaurant. He had to replace the entire set! Doesn't take too long
in a restaurant setting to rub through 20 microns of color. Now, I've
been using the plates that I first got the shino color on for 28
years with no change due to wear, but this is in a home, with hand
washing. Best case, IMHO. Just don't go into the commercial ware
arena with no damn shino!
Now try the break test with a copper blue and see if it isn't
red underneath!
Cheers, Hank
Joyce Lee on sun 14 apr 02
Hank Murrow said:
" BTW, sometime take one of those clunkers that has the nice
shino firecolor and break it. My bet is that the glaze is white just
under all that red!"
----------------------------------------------------------
I must be maturing as a potter.... very mature otherwise ..... mature as =
in old.... but I had no trouble following your suggestion that I break =
one of my precious pots ...... Smarty Hank. You're right. The glaze IS =
white under the red/orange. I thought I wouldn't be able to even =
recognize it .... wasn't sure I "got" what you were talking about. But =
I did. Thrilled me.=20
I know for a long time when experienced potters would talk about the =
manner in which a reduction fired glaze, properly melted, would "meld" =
to the pot so that you couldn't tell where the glaze ended and the clay =
began .... which they said was not true of a pot from an oxidation =
firing .... I had no idea of what they were speaking .... none. For a =
long time. Finally, one day I did see such a difference.
Nice. (However, I still am not sure what the shouting's about if it's =
all that difficult to detect, in the first place ......)
And, Ms Rhudy, you're just as much a Smarty as Hank ...... Dannon told =
me that the shino on this refired pot, which dramatically changed color =
in a bisque firing, would be a Very Thin Layer. =20
Now...... I understand that the "thin layer" business is so, and that =
Hank was saying the same thing but was asking me to see it for =
myself...... what I don't get is ..... does it make some sort of =
difference whether or not the layer is thin IF it's the color for which =
you hoped, and you don't know unless you break it?
Joyce
In the Mojave where the puffy, gray clouds are piling up over the =
Sierras, teasing us here in the desert to believe once again in the =
possibility of Rain. If we receive a few splashes (like 5) of drops on =
the patio .... even though they disappear within a minute ... tomorrow =
we'll all be talking about The Rain..... Did you get any out where you =
live? Remember the flood of '84? (yes, I do...
big time over at the base; not much out here) Where were you during =
that? (packing the camper for Alaska) Remember when it hailed several =
times every summer.... big, golfball size balls .... hurt when they hit? =
And the lightning?? When did that stop happening? Scary ..... When WAS =
the last lightning storm, anyway? The flash floods? The girl that =
washed down outside her car off Highway 14 and survived.... all those =
monster boulders ...
crushed her car? How many years ago? Six? Eight? She'd been ice-skating =
in Lancaster for a competition..... remember that? Probably was =
athletic, which would have helped her ride it out.... (Just 4 miles from =
our house... can see the site from our front gate ).... and on it goes.
Ron Collins on mon 15 apr 02
You guys really know how to mess up my good time ! I had two good shino
recipes do nicely in ^6 reduction....then yesterday I put two of the fired
small pieces in my electric 06 bisque. I got up at 5:30 this morning to
sneak a look, and they were so nice....lusterous and orange, with nice
carbon trapping...now at ten o clock, I read that it is fragile and
substandard. glaze....one step forward, and two steps back.....oh well, like
I've always known, especially in ceramics, there is usually a reason that
people don't use shortcuts...they rarely pay....I have 7 pretty teapots
waxed and ready to glaze, but suppose now, I'll just use blue...at least
they will sell that way......and, ok, it took me three days to make and
complete the 7 pretty teapots....again, fooling around with shinos, I guess
I still have to pay my dues.....Melinda Collins, Antigua, Guatemala
Hank Murrow on mon 15 apr 02
>You guys really know how to mess up my good time ! I had two good shino
>recipes do nicely in ^6 reduction....then yesterday I put two of the fired
>small pieces in my electric 06 bisque. I got up at 5:30 this morning to
>sneak a look, and they were so nice....lusterous and orange, with nice
>carbon trapping...now at ten o clock, I read that it is fragile and
>substandard. glaze....one step forward, and two steps back.....oh well,
like
>I've always known, especially in ceramics, there is usually a reason that
>people don't use shortcuts...they rarely pay....I have 7 pretty teapots
>waxed and ready to glaze, but suppose now, I'll just use blue...at least
>they will sell that way......and, ok, it took me three days to make and
>complete the 7 pretty teapots....again, fooling around with shinos, I guess
>I still have to pay my dues.....Melinda Collins, Antigua, Guatemala
>
Dear Melinda;
Who said that Shinos were fragile and substandard? I said
that the color was just on the very thin surface, and would rub off
if exposed to severe abrasion. AND that I've been using mine for up
to thirty years with no visible bad effects.
Shinos are for potters and those that love potters.
Cheers, Hank....still chuckling about those glaze 'pencils'.
Joyce Lee on mon 23 sep 02
I've been the Proud Possessor of
a magical casserole that makes most
anything thrown into it taste wonderful
for many years .... have used it a couple
times a week during all that time. It's
^6 ..... mottled blue grey glaze...... oxidation fired......
reddish clay. It has a couple of chips
in it but is still very serviceable. However,
this workhorse is beginning to look
abused. =20
Question: If I refire to give it new life,
do I need to go to ^6 again? Do you
think I could put it in with my ^06 bisque?
I know that my usual firings of ^10 - ^11
reduction could be bad news ..... and the only other temp I use is the =
^06. I'd
appreciate any suggestions. I love
the lines of this pot...... round, strong,
simply stunning..... or stunningly
simple .... it's part of the family.
Joyce
In the Mojave where I'm putting out a
call for Large Leaves locally. I've
stolen from the Pizza Hut, WalMart,
and up at the college........ even tried to chase down a landscaper's
pickup which was loaded with branches
bearing Perfect Leaves. He must have
thought a Crazy Lady was chasing him.....
yelling "un momento ... un momento ...
importante" ....... he sped up, screeched around the corner
and I lost him ..... obsessed isn't crazy=20
now, is it?
Sue Beach on tue 24 sep 02
I have been wondering the same thing. I have several pieces that I love
that have small chips. I wondered if I could reglaze & refire. I'd
appreciate seeing the responses to this question sent to the list.
thanks
Sue Beach
Muncie, IN
Joyce Lee wrote:
>
>
>Question: If I refire to give it new life,
>do I need to go to ^6 again? Do you
>think I could put it in with my ^06 bisque?
>I know that my usual firings of ^10 - ^11
>reduction could be bad news ..... and the only other temp I use is the ^06. I'd
>appreciate any suggestions. I love
>the lines of this pot...... round, strong,
>simply stunning..... or stunningly
>simple .... it's part of the family.
>
>Joyce
>
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Catherine White on tue 24 sep 02
Long, long ago I attended auctions regularly. Out of curiousity, I purchased
two beautiful large and badly crazed platters that were worthless- ugly
dirty. I fired them with no additional glaze or any additives. They came out
as though brand new. I don't recall the cone but you'd want to start
conservatively, of course. I realize this doesn't address the issue of
chips.
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Beach"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Refires
> I have been wondering the same thing. I have several pieces that I love
> that have small chips. I wondered if I could reglaze & refire. I'd
> appreciate seeing the responses to this question sent to the list.
>
> thanks
>
> Sue Beach
> Muncie, IN
>
>
>
> Joyce Lee wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Question: If I refire to give it new life,
> >do I need to go to ^6 again? Do you
> >think I could put it in with my ^06 bisque?
> >I know that my usual firings of ^10 - ^11
> >reduction could be bad news ..... and the only other temp I use is the
^06. I'd
> >appreciate any suggestions. I love
> >the lines of this pot...... round, strong,
> >simply stunning..... or stunningly
> >simple .... it's part of the family.
> >
> >Joyce
> >
>
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Dinah Collopy on tue 24 sep 02
I made a set of dinnerware a few years ago that we use for every meal every
day so needless to say, I've gotten a few chips.
These have a border that were painted with underglazes and covered with a
clear glaze, fired to ^6.
When I get a chip, I put underglaze on it, a little clear and fire it with my
next glaze load. Its fine.
As far as firing it to ^06, it seems to depend on the original glaze. I once
refired a cup that had a ^6 glaze on it to ^06 and it came out all bubbly.
Someone who would know said the gertsley borate I had in the glaze had
started to melt at ^06 but just partially, thus the bubbles from the
incomplete melt. So I think the answer is, it depends on the glaze.
Dinah
On the Mississippi Gulf Coast waiting to see what Isadore is going to do.
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