Joan Hathaway on thu 6 jun 02
I work in a high school teaching pottery, drawing and photography. We have a
wonderful program but are sometimes just considered "playing" with the kids.
Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
living as an artist. The art department would like to come up with stats on
a range of incomes of potters and other artists. I know that the range is
huge, but am wondering if there has been research done on this. Does anyone
have an idea of where I could find this info? I am also contacting the
colleges our kids go to see if they have stats on alums. Any info you have
would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Joan Hathaway
Sunburst Pottery
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george koller on thu 6 jun 02
hi,
i worked for a wizened stats professor for years.
wrote a spc (statistical process control) package
with him. under the preverbial apple tree one day
he asked us 'if you have one foot in hot water, and
one foot in cold water if you are "on the average"
comfortable'?.
a perverbial appled dropped on my perverbial
head.
best,
george & charley the 3rd
Joan Hathaway wrote:
> I work in a high school teaching pottery, drawing and photography. We have
a
> wonderful program but are sometimes just considered "playing" with the
kids.
> Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
> living as an artist. The art department would like to come up with stats
on
> a range of incomes of potters and other artists. I know that the range is
> huge, but am wondering if there has been research done on this. Does
anyone
> have an idea of where I could find this info? I am also contacting the
> colleges our kids go to see if they have stats on alums. Any info you
have
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Hathaway
> Sunburst Pottery
>
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Dave Dahlquist on thu 6 jun 02
I enjoy looking at for stats about the Craft market. The link below below
should be helpful. Actually the whole site is pretty good with back issues
and helpful for marketing ideas, etc. Their discussion board can be brutal,
and cady. I hope the link works. If not go to Craftsreport.com and click on
industry info and selct statistics.
www.craftsreport.com/may01/codasurveyresults.html
Late,
Dave
Wilsonville, OR.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Hathaway"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:36 AM
Subject: average incomes of potters and other artists
> I work in a high school teaching pottery, drawing and photography. We have
a
> wonderful program but are sometimes just considered "playing" with the
kids.
> Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
> living as an artist. The art department would like to come up with stats
on
> a range of incomes of potters and other artists. I know that the range is
> huge, but am wondering if there has been research done on this. Does
anyone
> have an idea of where I could find this info? I am also contacting the
> colleges our kids go to see if they have stats on alums. Any info you
have
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Hathaway
> Sunburst Pottery
>
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Bruce Girrell on fri 7 jun 02
> Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
> living as an artist.
Who says that the value of taking art classes is limited to becoming a
professional artist? Do the faculty also think that students who take
English class intend to become only linguists?
They're thinking inside the box. In fact it is exactly that kind of limited
thinking that results from the elimination of the arts in a curriculum.
Start thinking outside the box.
How else does art influence the development of skills necessary for future
success? Don't you think that the ability to convey ideas or to think
abstractly is important? What about right/left brain development? If they
want more "practical" evidence, use pottery. Pottery requires the student to
use mathematical and measurement skills, applied chemistry, thermodynamics,
geology, physics, and engineering, as well as learning about history and
aesthetics. What other class does the school offer that can approach that?
Bruce "you don't want the engineers of tomorrow designing ugly buildings, do
you?" Girrell
e wilson farrington on sat 8 jun 02
I for one would be very interested in the data generated from this =
survey. I often have a hard time convincing kids (and their parents) =
that nourishing an artistic nature is not a "waste" of an education. I =
have worked with kids on probation, in residential facilities and who =
have psychiatric diagnoses. Many times, when asked if there is something =
they're good at, the answer is "nothing." Then they proceed to make a =
pot, or make up a story, or draw a picture that blows my mind. I saw =
something on TV recently about an artist in the French Quarter who =
opened her studio to the neighborhood's teens, who went on to create =
amazing works of art that are selling like hot cakes. The kids were so =
empowered. I hope I can have that kind of positive impact!---willie
Jim Cullen on sat 8 jun 02
Be sure to include the "AVERAGE" income of atheletic coaches, english
teachers, administrators, etc. You'll find the range soooo wide that the
numbers are meaningless.
"The only thing wrong with a beautiful drive to work
is that you still end up at work."
KEEP CENTERED
Cullen
Naperville, Illinois
mail to: jcullen845@ameritech.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Hathaway"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: average incomes of potters and other artists
> I work in a high school teaching pottery, drawing and photography. We have
a
> wonderful program but are sometimes just considered "playing" with the
kids.
> Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
> living as an artist. The art department would like to come up with stats
on
> a range of incomes of potters and other artists. I know that the range is
> huge, but am wondering if there has been research done on this. Does
anyone
> have an idea of where I could find this info? I am also contacting the
> colleges our kids go to see if they have stats on alums. Any info you
have
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Hathaway
> Sunburst Pottery
>
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Carole Rishel on sun 9 jun 02
Didn't Vince have to do a similar study (justification) for the state in =
order to keep the Center for Crafts funded?
Carole Rishel
kallahcee@msn.com
Smithville, TX =20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Orchard Valley Ceramics Arts Guild
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: average incomes of potters and other artists
=20
Funny how whenever somebody wants to kill the art department,
they bring up "economic justification."
Ask them how many kids on the high school football team have
ever gone on to become professional athletes. And how much did
that football stadium cost???
Sorry for the flame. In any case, you might try the US Census
bureau. I'm don't know if they break down income versus
occupation, but there's a ton of info on their website, all
downloadable for free. (Your tax dollars have already paid for it!)
>I work in a high school teaching pottery, drawing and photography. We ha=
ve a
>wonderful program but are sometimes just considered "playing" with the k=
ids.
> Most of the other faculty can't imagine that anyone actually makes a
>living as an artist. The art department would like to come up with stat=
s on
>a range of incomes of potters and other artists. I know that the range =
is
>huge, but am wondering if there has been research done on this. Does an=
yone
>have an idea of where I could find this info? I am also contacting the
>colleges our kids go to see if they have stats on alums. Any info you h=
ave
>would be appreciated.
>
>Thank you,
>Joan Hathaway
>Sunburst Pottery
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.a=
sp.
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Cat Jarosz on mon 10 jun 02
Hand Made in America... based in Asheville NC would be a great place to
look into for these stats... I do believe they did a survey on incomes and
other interesting stats on artists ... I remember some of it as the
average
age of craftsmen was 54 and it blew me away ... wow we are aging ...
instant success isnt in the cards for most crafters it takes yrs and yrs
to perfect your art and I expect in todays market with $$$$$$$$ being such
a huge focus that the yrs of training before you make much $$ isnt too
inviting for the younger set... kind of frightening to think that maybe
some of our best potential is being lost for lack of support... is art for
the rich only ? I am talking doing not buying??? Thats way too sad to
think about... Cat who needs to head out to studio today and make the bread
and butter pots after 3 weeks of making WOW pots... NOOOOOO NOT SALT AND
PEPPERS NOT GOBLETS LOL......
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Stephani Stephenson on mon 10 jun 02
In 1997-98 I came across some numbers.
I cannot recall the exact source, but it was a compendium of incomes for
various professions, and it did break 'artist' down into categories such
as visual arts v. other arts, and I believe it went further than that :
differentiating, painter, potter, etc. I have forgotten whether the
source was from the US government or whether it was via an arts agency
study . Check census dept., and also your state or regional arts
council.
they often will gather data on artists and incomes in their state.
There use to be a group called ArtFBI (Artists for a better Image)
They published artist study and advocacy information. The last time I
checked their website they seemed to have gone on hiatus, but you might
still search and find some info there.
That year , 1997-98, the figure was about $7,000 per year, though I
cannot recall if this was for potters specifically or visual artists,
and unfortunately I do not recall the source of the data, though I think
it was census or other large scale gathered data, rather than a small
sampling.Also it would be nice to find figures other than the average...
Stephani Stephenson
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