Eric Suchman on wed 5 jun 02
I would think that once the paper has decomposed it becomes regular clay
once again.
> From: "Joy L. Holdread"
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:52:14 EDT
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Paper clay smell unhealthy???
>
> I've read several suggestions for chemical additives to remove the smell
from
> old paper clay but not wanted to bother for four reasons
> 1 I avoid harsh chemicals whenever I can
> 2 Why bother when it's just a temporary smell and my studio is well
> ventilated. A dab of vanilla extract on the upper lip is a good mask all.
> 3 Looking up additives and shopping (the horror) is creative time
> wasted.
> 4 Clay is more plastic well aged, I wonder if the paper clay aging
> process adds to it's plasticity? I said plasticity not toxicity.
>
> However I wonder if
> 1 Anyone has had allergic reactions to this wretched crud either
> breathing it in or skin irritation or infection?
> 2 Does it differ from the usual aging chemicals, well beyond the
> wretched crud smell?
> 3 Is it potentially more harmful than the soup of bacteria usually
> found in the studio? We won't discuss my kitchen's level of bacterial
soup,
> not to mention my kitchen sink's ability to spontaneously generate dirty
> dishes.
>
> Joy In Tucson
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Rick Monteverde on wed 5 jun 02
If you don't like harsh antbiotics like bleach, try some electrolyzed
silver=
water ("colloidal silver"). Big fad in the alternative medicine crowd,
easy=
to find links and sources through Google, etc. Not sure what it does for=
you if you drink it, but silver *does* kill bacteria well. I've used it=
successfully in paper clay batches for odor-free material. Non-toxic to
us,=
bad for the moldies, and a little goes a long way so you won't be hosing=
your clay or glaze chemistry.=20
- Rick Monteverde
Honolulu, HI
Susan on wed 5 jun 02
I don't use paper clay but my last few batches of slip I made has black mold
in it. It is only a few months old. I keep my slip in plastic gallon bottles
and black smelly areas are being formed on the inside of the plastic
bottles. I also have this black stuff forming in my glazes as well. They are
being stored in a warm garage. Other than bleach, what will work?
thanks
Susan
Joy L. Holdread on wed 5 jun 02
I've read several suggestions for chemical additives to remove the smell
from
old paper clay but not wanted to bother for four reasons
1 I avoid harsh chemicals whenever I can
2 Why bother when it's just a temporary smell and my studio is well
ventilated. A dab of vanilla extract on the upper lip is a good mask all.
3 Looking up additives and shopping (the horror) is creative time
wasted.
4 Clay is more plastic well aged, I wonder if the paper clay aging
process adds to it's plasticity? I said plasticity not toxicity.
However I wonder if
1 Anyone has had allergic reactions to this wretched crud either
breathing it in or skin irritation or infection?
2 Does it differ from the usual aging chemicals, well beyond the
wretched crud smell?
3 Is it potentially more harmful than the soup of bacteria usually
found in the studio? We won't discuss my kitchen's level of bacterial soup,
not to mention my kitchen sink's ability to spontaneously generate dirty
dishes.
Joy In Tucson
e-mail mudnjoy@aol.com
web site http://holdreadstudios.hypermart.net/
See the famous studio dog "Shahaley" in sunglasses. This photo actually won
a pet of the week contest. How many people do you know who's dog treated
them to lunch at Steve's Sausage Deli?
http://hometown.aol.com/shahaleyk9/
Ababi on wed 5 jun 02
Hello Joy.
I shall try to make you happy!
I will follow your letter with my response.
Did you read Rossete Gault's Paperclay book?
This is a first must be done before paperclay-ing.
Do you buy, or make it yourself?
---------- Original Message ----------
>I've read several suggestions for chemical additives to remove the
>smell from
>old paper clay but not wanted to bother for four reasons
> 1 I avoid harsh chemicals whenever I can
When I make the slurry I add to the claybody 2 gram per kg of soda ash
and one gram of sodium silicate.This relation to avoid stickiness of
the slurry.
and 0.4 to 0.5 liter water. If you keep it this way no bug will join
the party.
When I add the paper , in the summer, I add about 5 m"l of whitening
liquid. to a bucket of 10-20 liters
> 2 Why bother when it's just a temporary smell and my studio is
>well
>ventilated. A dab of vanilla extract on the upper lip is a good mask
>all.
> 3 Looking up additives and shopping (the horror) is creative
>time
>wasted.
> 4 Clay is more plastic well aged, I wonder if the paper clay
>aging
To keep the paperclay for a long time: Dry it
>process adds to it's plasticity? I said plasticity not toxicity.
Words games,
>However I wonder if
> 1
Anyone has had allergic reactions to this wretched crud either
>breathing it in or skin irritation or infection?
Read paperclay book!
> 2 Does it differ from the usual aging chemicals, well beyond the
>wretched crud smell?
> 3 Is it potentially more harmful than the soup of bacteria
I think , for you it is a punishment to use paperclay, for me I say (
Hallelujah (a Hebrew word) for the discovery of this new
clay-technology!
>usually
>found in the studio? We won't discuss my kitchen's level of bacterial
>soup,
>not to mention my kitchen sink's ability to spontaneously generate dirty
>dishes.
>Joy In Tucson
Yes Joy use whitener, you live in the desert!
>e-mail mudnjoy@aol.com
>web site http://holdreadstudios.hypermart.net/
Ababi Sharon
Kibbutz Shoval- Israel
Glaze addict
ababisha@shoval.org.il
http://members4.clubphoto.com/ababi306910/
http://www.milkywayceramics.com/cgallery/asharon.htm
Dannon Rhudy on wed 5 jun 02
At 09:52 AM 6/5/02 EDT, you wrote:
>I've read several suggestions for chemical additives to remove the smell
from
>old paper clay but not wanted to bother ... wonder if
> 1 Anyone has had allergic reactions to this wretched crud....
Aging makes paperclay more plastic just like any other clay. If
you have some sitting around and it smells horrific, add a tablespoon
or two of bleach. It will kill off most the mold spores, and stop the
smell (until re-growth appears, of course). Then, you can use the
clay however you USUALLY use paperclay. If the clay is in the form
of a slip, adding the bleach is easy, give it a stir with a stick,
all will be well. If it is solid, you can still add bleach, but it
will take longer to permeate the clay and kill the mold(s).
Yes, some people do indeed have allergic reactions to various
molds, etc. Some don't. But - I rather expect that it depends
on what those molds ARE. And there are lots. Personally, I don't
care to put my hands into something that smells bad enough to make
me gag. So I take that reflex as an intra-personal warning,
as it were, and I don't do it.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Julie Milazzo on thu 6 jun 02
Susan, do you use chamois at all in your studio? Your
problem sounds very familiar, and nothing smells worse
than the decay of animal matter (between my bone ash
glazes which actually change color and smell in the
bucket, and lost chamois, I want to put a disclaimer
up, letting people that it isn't me producing those
malodorous scents). Best of luck! Jules
--- Susan wrote:
> I don't use paper clay but my last few batches of
> slip I made has black mold
> in it. It is only a few months old. I keep my slip
> in plastic gallon bottles
> and black smelly areas are being formed on the
> inside of the plastic
> bottles. I also have this black stuff forming in my
> glazes as well. They are
> being stored in a warm garage. Other than bleach,
> what will work?
>
> thanks
> Susan
>
>
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Ababi on thu 6 jun 02
The paperslip, for gluing each different paperclays I use, some colors,
I keep in the refrigerator. So the pre mixed paper pulp.
Ababi
---------- Original Message ----------
>I don't use paper clay but my last few batches of slip I made has black
>mold
>in it. It is only a few months old. I keep my slip in plastic gallon
>bottles
>and black smelly areas are being formed on the inside of the plastic
>bottles. I also have this black stuff forming in my glazes as well.
>They are
>being stored in a warm garage. Other than bleach, what will work?
>thanks
>Susan
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Susan on thu 6 jun 02
Yes I do use chamois at the wheel!! thanks! But I wonder how it got into my
glazes and casting slip? Rick from Hawaii suggested "colloidal silver". I
found a company online that sells it for $3 for a sample 2oz bottle. Worth a
try.
> From: Julie Milazzo
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:24:40 -0700
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Paper clay smell unhealthy???
>
> Susan, do you use chamois at all in your studio? Your
> problem sounds very familiar, and nothing smells worse
> than the decay of animal matter (between my bone ash
> glazes which actually change color and smell in the
> bucket, and lost chamois, I want to put a disclaimer
> up, letting people that it isn't me producing those
> malodorous scents). Best of luck! Jules
> --- Susan wrote:
>> I don't use paper clay but my last few batches of
>> slip I made has black mold
>> in it. It is only a few months old. I keep my slip
>> in plastic gallon bottles
>> and black smelly areas are being formed on the
>> inside of the plastic
>> bottles. I also have this black stuff forming in my
>> glazes as well. They are
>> being stored in a warm garage. Other than bleach,
>> what will work?
>>
>> thanks
>> Susan
>>
>>
>
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Anita M. Swan on fri 7 jun 02
You can also add a bit of clove oil - it will kill the mold and the smell,
but a
little goes a long, long way. Nita
MorriganCP@CS.COM on mon 10 jun 02
Hi folks,
Please be careful about firing paperclay items in your studio, or any kiln
in
a small studio / workshop
About three years ago a British potter was found dead in his workshop. He
died of carbon monoxide poisoning you CANNOT smell it, taste it or see it.
So
get an air tester not unlike a smoke detector. Always make sure you have
plenty of ventilation in your kiln room / firing space. Life is very short
do
not take any risks
Stephen
Stephen & Karren Parry-Thomas
http://www.morrigancraftpottery.co.uk
steve@morrigancraftpottery.co.uk
morrigancp@aol.com
Philip & Ingrid Vanneste-Vuylsteke on mon 10 jun 02
Hello,
I am working with paperclay for about one year now.
I have isolated my house with Isofloc, which is a kind of shredded paper
with borax and boric acid in it to resist fire and insects.
I had bought too much of it, and I now using the left-over material to
prepare paperclay (up to 40% volume).
Any way, I have little work in preparing my clay, and it keeps months
without
substantial smell (we do live in a moderate climate with no real high
temperatures).
More info on Isofloc can be found on
http://www.buildgreen.ndo.co.uk/exampl.html
It is a product from Germany, and its site is www.isofloc.de
Think it is easy to get it in Europe, do not know about other countries.
Sincerely,
Philip Vanneste
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