Earl Brunner on mon 24 jun 02
"Longtin, Jeff" wrote:
> Hey Bruce,
>
> On 6/22/2002 Lee Love said
> < Wholesome processes create both pots and people of Character. Otherwise,
> created things are simply products, reduced to money and "ideas.">
>
> By this I presume he means to say "a molded pot is not a wholesome pot".
>
I always find it curious that people that use molds to make their pots feel the
need to justify, that somehow it's all the same. To some extent, it reminds me of
the "Fine art" / "craft" argument. We can blow it around for ever, but most will
probably not change their position.
>
> Jonathans' comment, I presume, addresses this bias against molded work.
>
> Should I presume by YOUR comments that you too think molded pots are somehow
> of less value than "handmade" pots?
>
Not necessarily more or less value- just different. Not the same. Some molded
work is superior to some handmade or wheel work. Some ain't.
> Why the bias?
>
> Some of us potters use molds to make better pots that's all! Just because I
> use molds does not mean I am without character nor does it mean I'm an
> "industrialist".
>
> Why do wheelthrowing potters always feel the need to denigrate other methods
> of production? I make pots, you make pots, we are potters.
>
For me it's not so much how it's made but how it's represented as being made. I
have seen ram pressed stuff sold at art fairs represented as "handmade" made to
"look" thrown. It isn't even so much what people are saying about their work
sometimes, but what they don't say. I don't have a problem with people that are
honest and up front about what they are making and selling. It's the ones that
allow the customer to think something that isn't really so. They are the ones
giving others a bad name.
>
> Jeff Longtin
> Complex Molds Made Easy
>
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Longtin, Jeff on mon 24 jun 02
Hey Bruce,
On 6/22/2002 Lee Love said
< Wholesome processes create both pots and people of Character. Otherwise,
created things are simply products, reduced to money and "ideas.">
By this I presume he means to say "a molded pot is not a wholesome pot".
Jonathans' comment, I presume, addresses this bias against molded work.
Should I presume by YOUR comments that you too think molded pots are somehow
of less value than "handmade" pots?
Why the bias?
Some of us potters use molds to make better pots that's all! Just because I
use molds does not mean I am without character nor does it mean I'm an
"industrialist".
Why do wheelthrowing potters always feel the need to denigrate other methods
of production? I make pots, you make pots, we are potters.
Jeff Longtin
Complex Molds Made Easy
-----Original Message-----
From: BVCuma [mailto:bvcuma@PACIFIC.NET.IN]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:09 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re : Ethical pots
My statement...
"Methods of making pottery do not determine worth, efficiency or
value."
Should read
"Methods of making pottery do not determine worth, efficacy or
value."
I stand by this statement.
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Sorry Jonathan...
my typo error.
Efficacy, my dictionary doesn't have that word...
but google does...
Efficacy: Power to produce effects; operation or energy of an agent or
force.
The use of the word in your sentence is pointless.
You stand by your statement?..ok
A dialouge would also be pointless then too.
As you refuse to even consider your own contradictions.
(not this one...the other )
What bothers me now is that this is published material
moving into god knows who's hands...
The paragraph, I find, is very loaded
confusing and misleading.
besides being somewhat out of context.
If you will.. I would say...
That you are imposing an agenda here.
Seems to me the innocent studio potter
gets twisted into your version of what a potter can be.
I have no problem with that
But I do have a problem with this...
Young minds have a need to create an identity.
There is a clear distinction between an industrialist
and a studio or even production potter.
Ask your friend Harry why he sold you the rights for "love pot"
Don't bother I'll tell you... he wanted to remain a potter.
Why did you buy it.. because your a producer
making a product with an eye on volumes...
any method, actually only the fastest most efficient.
No prob...
we sure would be in trouble if everyone wanted to be a potter.
Jonathan, there is no need to drag your version of being a potter
behind you telling everyone your as good as they are.
Obviously you are talented and skilled.
But drop the corpse..it stinks.
Bruce
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