Working Potter on thu 13 jun 02
I am looking for reccommendations for sources and product features that are
applicable to "v" groove wheels for a car/train kiln? Again, I wish to thank
anyone who responded to my request for help on kiln designs and David in
Kennybunkport who was kind enough to send one to me and others who offered
to talk on the phone(I am a visual person and following verbal directions
has always been somewhat of a problem for me} and I HOPE I didn't loose any
of your posts as my computer sever AOL has been giving me access fits and
after 150 tries to get on each time for several days would cut me off after
I had read a couple email and with a full plate in both my personal and
clayart life these days I PROBABLY MISSED A FEW POSTS and am very sorry if I
FAILED TO CATCH YOURS.
I am still in the design stage of the conversion of my dryset 45cuft power
propane blower burner fired sprung arch kiln that I hope to transform into
a car/train kiln when it gets deconstructed and moved to a new location 15
miles from the original site.
Misty
In SC where I am literally sweating[hot and humid lately} it out having
finally finished planting a late garden and working to get the kiln site
ready while planning to move and convert the kiln.
Brandon Phillips on thu 13 jun 02
Mcmaster-Carr supplies carries them. They have a website www.mcmaster.com.
They carry thousands of items, so just type in v-groove in the search box.
My recommendation is, the bigger the wheels, the better, and don't get the
swivel kind!!!
Brandon Phillips
>I am looking for reccommendations for sources and product features that
>are
>applicable to "v" groove wheels for a car/train kiln?
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Jennifer F Boyer on thu 13 jun 02
Go to http://mscdirect.com and search for casters. The web site
gives you a page for entering different criteria. Look at the
Fairbanks 6" v-groove rigid metal casters. They are about 25.00
each and have a capacity of 1200 lbs each. I've had them on my
car for almost 3 years and they are holding up well....
Jennifer
Working Potter wrote:
>
> I am looking for reccommendations for sources and product features that are
> applicable to "v" groove wheels for a car/train kiln? Again, I wish to thank
> anyone who responded to my request for help on kiln designs and David in
> Kennybunkport who was kind enough to send one to me and others who offered
> to talk on the phone(I am a visual person and following verbal directions
> has always been somewhat of a problem for me} and I HOPE I didn't loose any
> of your posts as my computer sever AOL has been giving me access fits and
> after 150 tries to get on each time for several days would cut me off after
> I had read a couple email and with a full plate in both my personal and
> clayart life these days I PROBABLY MISSED A FEW POSTS and am very sorry if I
> FAILED TO CATCH YOURS.
> I am still in the design stage of the conversion of my dryset 45cuft power
> propane blower burner fired sprung arch kiln that I hope to transform into
> a car/train kiln when it gets deconstructed and moved to a new location 15
> miles from the original site.
> Misty
> In SC where I am literally sweating[hot and humid lately} it out having
> finally finished planting a late garden and working to get the kiln site
> ready while planning to move and convert the kiln.
>
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ThePottery@AOL.COM on thu 13 jun 02
If you have a Granger in your area check out page 2204under casters. Go with
the rigid plate. I use #3G164 $35.36 each. Tracy
Working Potter on fri 14 jun 02
Dear John,
Your help is greatly appreciated.You don't need to rush as I will have to
deconstruct my former kinn first anyhow but the photos will definitely be a
huge aid.I will be watching for the photos and have a wonderful time and
good luck on the rusults on your firing.I really appreciate you taking time
out to answer my plea when you are obviously very busy
A huge hug of thanks,
Misty
In a message dated 6/14/2002 6:31:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JBaymore@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:
> Misty,
>
>
> I am looking for reccommendations for sources and product features that
> are
> applicable to "v" groove wheels for a car/train kiln? Again, I wish to
> thank
> anyone who responded to my request for help on kiln designs and David in
> Kennybunkport who was kind enough to send one to me and others who offered
> to talk on the phone(I am a visual person and following verbal directions
> has always been somewhat of a problem for me}
>
>
> WD Grainger is a great source for "all things industrial". There a number
> of V groove wheels that they make. For ease of moving the car and for
> smoothness of the roll..... use the largest size practical.
>
> Also... do NOT cut corners on the car steel structure. It is the crux of a
> car kiln . Remember that steel is pretty flexible..... not as rigid as
> we often think. If you don't have a good structural person doing the
> calculations for deflection between spans under load.........
> "overengineer" (use heaver materials than you think you need) the main car
> support chassis members. If the kiln car sags under load... the refractor
> seal can end up rubbing. Bad if you can't get the car into the
> kiln....disasterous if you vcan't get it OUT .
>
> For car kiln chassis construction...I typically use two main supports
> comprised of channel steel with the legs facing down. The V groove wheels
> mount inside the inverted "U" between the legs. Then a much lighter weight
> angle steel structure is supported on top of this beefy "ladder frame" to
> stabilize the refractories themselves.
>
> If you go to JohnBaymore.com/P0001347.htm ...the second or third kiln down
> in the "gallery" is a 67 cu. ft. car kiln and there is a detail shot or two
> of the refractory seal between the car bed and the kiln structure. If you
> wait a few days, I'll get a couple of shots up on the "Of Interest To
> Potters" / "Clayart Discussions" page of a car chassis with V groove wheels
> and such. It'll take a bit...... I am getting ready to fire my noborigama
> shortly.... and am as busy as a one armed paperhanger .
>
> As a "visual person"... thought the photos might help you a bit.
>
>
> Best,
>
> ..............................john
>
> John Baymore
> River Bend Pottery
> 22 Riverbend Way
> Wilton, NH 03086 USA
>
Working Potter on fri 14 jun 02
Dear Brandon,
Thanks for the tip.HE he no swivel wheels, aw you want to take all the fun
out of it,lol.
Misty
In SC where a short rain storm has nicely cooled things off today.The first
seed veggies just popped thru the soil after the rain,wow!!
In a message dated 6/13/2002 6:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
phillipspottery2@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> Mcmaster-Carr supplies carries them. They have a website www.mcmaster.com.
> They carry thousands of items, so just type in v-groove in the search box.
> My recommendation is, the bigger the wheels, the better, and don't get the
> swivel kind!!!
>
> Brandon Phillips
>
>
Working Potter on fri 14 jun 02
Thanks, Tracy.I have a graingers here and need to get a catalog and that
price seems good compared to some I've been quoted so that's a great idea.
Misty
.In a message dated 6/13/2002 9:15:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ThePottery@AOL.COM writes:
> If you have a Granger in your area check out page 2204under casters. Go
> with
> the rigid plate. I use #3G164 $35.36 each. Tracy
>
>
Working Potter on fri 14 jun 02
Dear Jennifer,
So far those at that price seem the best price yet.I wonder what the big
price differences are about.I wonder if the shipping will out weigh
Granger's price? WHAT WERE THE FACTORS YOU CONSIDERED WHEN CHOOSING
THOSE?Have you put up any kiln photos on the web? I'd love to see it,
too.thanks for the wheel tip.
Misty
In a message dated 6/13/2002 6:21:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jboyer@ADELPHIA.NET writes:
> Go to http://mscdirect.com and search for casters. The web site
> gives you a page for entering different criteria. Look at the
> Fairbanks 6" v-groove rigid metal casters. They are about 25.00
> each and have a capacity of 1200 lbs each. I've had them on my
> car
John Weber on fri 14 jun 02
We had a welder build our car, based on a rough drawing I made. He came up
with the wheels and I suspect any welder would have access to that type of
information.
John Baymore on fri 14 jun 02
Misty,
I am looking for reccommendations for sources and product features that=
are
applicable to "v" groove wheels for a car/train kiln? Again, I wish to
thank
anyone who responded to my request for help on kiln designs and David in=
Kennybunkport who was kind enough to send one to me and others who offer=
ed
to talk on the phone(I am a visual person and following verbal direction=
s
has always been somewhat of a problem for me} =
WD Grainger is a great source for "all things industrial". There a numbe=
r
of V groove wheels that they make. For ease of moving the car and for
smoothness of the roll..... use the largest size practical. =
Also... do NOT cut corners on the car steel structure. It is the crux of=
a
car kiln . Remember that steel is pretty flexible..... not as rigid a=
s
we often think. If you don't have a good structural person doing the
calculations for deflection between spans under load.........
"overengineer" (use heaver materials than you think you need) the main ca=
r
support chassis members. If the kiln car sags under load... the refracto=
r
seal can end up rubbing. Bad if you can't get the car into the
kiln....disasterous if you vcan't get it OUT .
For car kiln chassis construction...I typically use two main supports
comprised of channel steel with the legs facing down. The V groove wheel=
s
mount inside the inverted "U" between the legs. Then a much lighter weig=
ht
angle steel structure is supported on top of this beefy "ladder frame" to=
stabilize the refractories themselves. =
If you go to JohnBaymore.com/P0001347.htm ...the second or third kiln dow=
n
in the "gallery" is a 67 cu. ft. car kiln and there is a detail shot or t=
wo
of the refractory seal between the car bed and the kiln structure. If yo=
u
wait a few days, I'll get a couple of shots up on the "Of Interest To
Potters" / "Clayart Discussions" page of a car chassis with V groove whee=
ls
and such. It'll take a bit...... I am getting ready to fire my noborigam=
a
shortly.... and am as busy as a one armed paperhanger . =
As a "visual person"... thought the photos might help you a bit.
Best,
..............................john
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086 USA
603-654-2752 (s)
800-900-1110 (s)
JohnBaymore.com
JBaymore@compuserve.com
"DATES CHANGED: Earth, Water, and Fire Noborigama Woodfiring Workshop =
August 23 - September 1, 2002"
Jennifer F Boyer on sun 16 jun 02
HI Misty,
I just put pix of my car kiln on my web site:
http://www.thistlehillpottery.com/kiln.html
I mainly used the size and weight capacity for choosing my
wheels. I didn't find many choices once I narrowed it down to
6"(suggested on Clayart and in Nils' book), rigid, v-groove and
over 1000 pounds each in capacity. I don't think my car weighs
more than 3000 pounds loaded, and my wheels have a combined
capacity of 4800 lbs. I don't think there are heat issues under
my car during firing. I've had all sorts of stuff blow under
there: leaves, packing peanuts, and nothing seems to burn. It's
good to have your car floor fit tightly in the kiln space, and
Nils' cork(must be a better name, but my book is in the studio)
design works great.
Take Care
Jennifer
Working Potter wrote:
>
> Dear Jennifer,
> So far those at that price seem the best price yet.I wonder what the big
> price differences are about.I wonder if the shipping will out weigh
> Granger's price? WHAT WERE THE FACTORS YOU CONSIDERED WHEN CHOOSING
> THOSE?Have you put up any kiln photos on the web? I'd love to see it,
> too.thanks for the wheel tip.
> Misty
> In a message dated 6/13/2002 6:21:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jboyer@ADELPHIA.NET writes:
>
> > Go to http://mscdirect.com and search for casters. The web site
> > gives you a page for entering different criteria. Look at the
> > Fairbanks 6" v-groove rigid metal casters. They are about 25.00
> > each and have a capacity of 1200 lbs each. I've had them on my
> > car
>
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Jennifer Boyer mailto:jboyer@adelphia.net
Thistle Hill Pottery
95 Powder Horn Glen Rd
Montpelier, VT 05602 USA
802-223-8926
http://www.thistlehillpottery.com/
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