millenial_age on thu 20 jun 02
I am currently using a studio from a potter who has been in the
business for
over 50 years. He has a spacious 100' x 200' studio with all the
ammenities,
two electric wheels, venco pugger and de-airer, Skutt 10 cu. ft.
elec. kiln, Home
built 50 cu. ft. wood fired kiln, 25 ft. gas fired kiln, glaze prep
area, glazing area,
100's cu. ft. ware shelves, Six 3' x 6' work tables, 3 4'x4' wedging
tables,
clay reclamation area, small wood shop.
I am telling you all the details because so far he hasn't charged me
anything
more than the standard fee for taking his class once a week.
I create about 40 pieces a month and high fire all of them at his
studio. I guess that I take up an average of one to one and a half
shelves in his gas fired kiln
at each firing, which happens about every three weeks or so.
I buy my own ingredients for the glazes, my own clay, brushes, tools,
and bats.
I help out about four to five hours a week on non-clay production
such as recycling clay, cleaning and ordering the shop, loading and
unloading clay and raw materials, loading and unloading the kilns,
etc. I use the studio about 15 - 20 hours a week.
I am feeling a bit guilty about not paying anything else for what I
do.
Would anyone out there know what would be a fair price to pay for
what I am
doing?
I am thinking around $150 month or so. Is that reasonable or should
it be more?
L. P. Skeen on thu 20 jun 02
> I am currently using a studio from a potter who has been in the business
for over 50 years. > I help out about four to five hours a week on non-clay
production such as recycling clay, cleaning and ordering the shop, loading
and
> unloading clay and raw materials, loading and unloading the kilns, etc. I
use the studio about 15 - 20 hours a week.
> Would anyone out there know what would be a fair price to pay for> what I
am> doing?
The $150 per month you describe is about right, IMO. That's close to what I
charge here.
L
Linda Knapp on thu 20 jun 02
Looks like you have a "Good Karma" Potter to work with..... I am in a
similar situation except I trade my computer expertise for his pottery
instruction and studio time. I also buy some clay and glaze ingredients
sometimes, not as much as I use but I try to buy and bring in some of
the more expensive items.
Every once in awhile we touch base with each other to make sure that
both of us feel guilty for getting too much from the other person.... So
far it has worked out that we each feel we are getting more than we
should in the trade, which we agreed was an ideal trade. You might have
an open discussion with the potter to make sure he is not feeling taken
advantage of and at the same time let him know that you feel you should
give him more and find out what he thinks is fair. Don't forget several
hours a week help from you is also worth something. It might be that he
would rather have that than money who knows!?
Paying a fee is a clean easy way to solve the problem however there is a
very satisfying feeling to working together in an ongoing trade
relationship.
Certainly makes me feel good when I see and hear about how helpful and
generous the potting community is!
Cheers,
Linda
millenial_age wrote:
>I am currently using a studio from a potter who has been in the
>business for
>over 50 years. He has a spacious 100' x 200' studio with all the
>ammenities,
>two electric wheels, venco pugger and de-airer, Skutt 10 cu. ft.
>elec. kiln, Home
>built 50 cu. ft. wood fired kiln, 25 ft. gas fired kiln, glaze prep
>area, glazing area,
>100's cu. ft. ware shelves, Six 3' x 6' work tables, 3 4'x4' wedging
>tables,
>clay reclamation area, small wood shop.
>
>I am telling you all the details because so far he hasn't charged me
>anything
>more than the standard fee for taking his class once a week.
>
>I create about 40 pieces a month and high fire all of them at his
>studio. I guess that I take up an average of one to one and a half
>shelves in his gas fired kiln
>at each firing, which happens about every three weeks or so.
>
>I buy my own ingredients for the glazes, my own clay, brushes, tools,
>and bats.
>I help out about four to five hours a week on non-clay production
>such as recycling clay, cleaning and ordering the shop, loading and
>unloading clay and raw materials, loading and unloading the kilns,
>etc. I use the studio about 15 - 20 hours a week.
>
>I am feeling a bit guilty about not paying anything else for what I
>do.
>
>Would anyone out there know what would be a fair price to pay for
>what I am
>doing?
>
>I am thinking around $150 month or so. Is that reasonable or should
>it be more?
>
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Ned Ludd on thu 20 jun 02
Dear Millenial Age
Are you in studio Shangri-la or what?! There are potters who'd
kill for what you got!
You have a great deal and you ask a good question.
As far as figuring rent goes, it's not an exact science. Are you in a
wealthy area wih a higher than average cost of living? Expect to pay
more. Are you in a dirt poor area? Expect cheap. Here in the
Sacramento Valley, California, I'd say $200 to $250 would be good for
what you describe. Multiply that by a factor of three if it's in
millionaire-riddled Marin County, say. Your helping out with the
place should come off that.
I've had a $100 a month slot in a shared, kids-and-old-folks-classes
kind of studio here that was in a warehouse space. I got a ten by ten
space (in feet), enough for my wheel and shelves, one cone 6 AIM
kiln, one shared long table with slabroller, that's it. No daylight,
save when the rollup door opened. Yes, it sucked and no, I couldn't
get out fast enough. I looked long and hard and found a bigger space
in a once bustling co-op fallen on lean times. It has a flaking but
strong Skutt good to cone six, an old, worn and feisty 18 cu ft gas
kiln that fires cone 11 like a stroll in the park, skylights, no
facilities other than a great gas supply and electricity, no
machinery included, water and bathroom a hike away, no a/c in summer
(translated: hot as hell June through August) and the roof leaks, but
that's what buckets are for, right? ;->
The best deal going at $150, in this low wage agricultural county.
Mind you, over in Berkeley they do astonishing things with a $100 a
month membership and a whole bunch of kilns and goodies to boot!
Right, Rikki?
just my two cents, Millenial! Is it Mr or Ms? ;->
Ned
millenial_age wrote:
>I am currently using a studio from a potter who has been in the
>business for
>over 50 years. He has a spacious 100' x 200' studio with all the
>ammenities,
>two electric wheels, venco pugger and de-airer, Skutt 10 cu. ft.
>elec. kiln, Home
>built 50 cu. ft. wood fired kiln, 25 ft. gas fired kiln, glaze prep
>area, glazing area,
>100's cu. ft. ware shelves, Six 3' x 6' work tables, 3 4'x4' wedging
>tables,
>clay reclamation area, small wood shop.
>
>I am telling you all the details because so far he hasn't charged me
>anything
>more than the standard fee for taking his class once a week.
>
>I create about 40 pieces a month and high fire all of them at his
>studio. I guess that I take up an average of one to one and a half
>shelves in his gas fired kiln
>at each firing, which happens about every three weeks or so.
>
>I buy my own ingredients for the glazes, my own clay, brushes, tools,
>and bats.
>I help out about four to five hours a week on non-clay production
>such as recycling clay, cleaning and ordering the shop, loading and
>unloading clay and raw materials, loading and unloading the kilns,
>etc. I use the studio about 15 - 20 hours a week.
>
>I am feeling a bit guilty about not paying anything else for what I
>do.
>
>Would anyone out there know what would be a fair price to pay for
>what I am
>doing?
>
>I am thinking around $150 month or so. Is that reasonable or should
>it be more?
Eric Suchman on fri 21 jun 02
I would say that if he is comfortable with the arrangement to date then I
would try to be comfortable as well. You are certainly contributing to the
studio. Let him bring up the subject of payment if he wishes. He's
probably glad to have your help.
Eric from Oceanside.
> From: millenial_age
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:47:06 -0000
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: What to pay for Studio Space
>
> I am currently using a studio from a potter who has been in the
> business for
> over 50 years. He has a spacious 100' x 200' studio with all the
> ammenities,
> two electric wheels, venco pugger and de-airer, Skutt 10 cu. ft.
> elec. kiln, Home
> built 50 cu. ft. wood fired kiln, 25 ft. gas fired kiln, glaze prep
> area, glazing area,
> 100's cu. ft. ware shelves, Six 3' x 6' work tables, 3 4'x4' wedging
> tables,
> clay reclamation area, small wood shop.
>
> I am telling you all the details because so far he hasn't charged me
> anything
> more than the standard fee for taking his class once a week.
>
> I create about 40 pieces a month and high fire all of them at his
> studio. I guess that I take up an average of one to one and a half
> shelves in his gas fired kiln
> at each firing, which happens about every three weeks or so.
>
> I buy my own ingredients for the glazes, my own clay, brushes, tools,
> and bats.
> I help out about four to five hours a week on non-clay production
> such as recycling clay, cleaning and ordering the shop, loading and
> unloading clay and raw materials, loading and unloading the kilns,
> etc. I use the studio about 15 - 20 hours a week.
>
> I am feeling a bit guilty about not paying anything else for what I
> do.
>
> Would anyone out there know what would be a fair price to pay for
> what I am
> doing?
>
> I am thinking around $150 month or so. Is that reasonable or should
> it be more?
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
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