Pottery by Dai on tue 16 jul 02
to draw 32,000 visitors??
Hi, Kate - The shows that we do don't allow "seconds". I think a number
like 32,000 signifies a pretty big show, professional, probably lots of
rules and regs. "Seconds" would go over better at a farmers market, maybe,
or a bazaar atmosphere. Better see if seconds are allowed---or is this a
show that's already happened, and someone had seconds there?
Dai in Armstrong, BC
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Marcia Selsor on tue 16 jul 02
If this was a strict juried show, I don't think there should be a seconds box. Others who were juried
in might not appreciate it. I guess it would depend on the caliber of the show and of the other people
selling.
IMHO
Marci in Montana
kate wrote:
> so what do you all think about a "seconds" box at a show that was supposed to draw 32,000 visitors??
>
> kk
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kate on tue 16 jul 02
so what do you all think about a "seconds" box at a show that was =
supposed to draw 32,000 visitors??
kk
Rikki Gill on tue 16 jul 02
The Berkeley Potters Guild has a no seconds policy, except for our spring
seconds sale. No seconds at the Christmas Sale, or in the Gallery. What
is allowed though at a crafts show is pretty much up to the discretion of
the promoters. Personally, if it is an expensive show for the craftspeople,
and you think seconds are unfair, I would talk to others and try to get a
few dissenters together, and complain. Many promoters will not allow
seconds in any case. But then there are some shows that are so awful, so
under publicized, so empty of customers and, not least, so expensive that
you feel you must do something to recoup your losses, then I would try to
talk to other craftspeople. See what they think. Often, shows improve
over time, and you don't want to be excluded in future years, when it may
turn out to be a really good show. Hope this helps, Rikki
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so what do you all think about a "seconds" box at a show that was supposed
to draw 32,000 visitors??
kk
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Kim Marie on wed 17 jul 02
Generally there are unwritten etiquette type manners at craft shows which
translates into "no seconds" One thing I've done that always seems welcome
is a Show Specials Basket. These are not seconds but are generally nice
looking prototypes or items I have extras of. This seems to get people
touching the pottery and opens dialogue.
Kim Marie
Spafford, NY
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Mercy Langford on wed 17 jul 02
Can someone explain seconds to me. I've read all these emails and still
haven't figured it out. Is it two of one thing,second best pieces?thanks,
Mercy
Rob Van Rens on wed 17 jul 02
Mercy -
Seconds refers to "second quality", if you will...as in the case of "factory
seconds" being sold at outlet stores at a discount.
I've worked in the high-end furniture business, briefly. my experience is
that sellers of luxury goods, such as handmade furniture, designer clothing,
and art pottery, frown on the selling of seconds in the same venue as first
quality materials.
Seconds _are_ frequently sold at warehouse sales, factory outlets, to
employees, etc., or are bundled off to a discount outlet like Ross or TJ
Maxx. Some studios have, as was mentioned, seconds sales. Sometimes,
seconds are offered to employees at a steep discount.
Seconds are not neccessarily bad. My apartment is furnished with a lot of
very expensive seconded furniture acquired very inexpensively, for a variety
of reasons; wrong finish or hardware, scratches or blemishes too significant
to repair, etc etc. I own some seconded pottery as well; it allows me to
purchase peices that I would otherwise be unable to afford on my salary.
Some peices have hairline cracks, or are very slightly out of round, or have
some glaze crazing, etc. Many are not flaws that are readily apparent, or
do not affect the functionality of the piece (what do I care if my ice cream
bowl is ever so slightly oval?).
I don't think selling seconds is bad; I think selling them in a venue like a
craft show is. It's not fair, and it is, in the words of Captain Hook, "bad
form".
I hope this helps.
Robert Van Rens, Workshop Coordinator
Otto Kroeger Associates
703-591-6284, x110 Phone
703-591-8338 Fax
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Can someone explain seconds to me. I've read all these emails and still
haven't figured it out. Is it two of one thing,second best pieces?thanks,
Mercy
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Pottery by Dai on wed 17 jul 02
> Can someone explain seconds to me. I've read all these emails
Mercy - a "second" is a pot that isn't "perfect" (inasmuch as we get them
perfect)---something with maybe a hairline crack in the bottom (but not big
enough to leak), a lidded pot that has a wobbly lid, a plate or bowl that
rocks or spins on a flat surface, a crawled glaze on functional ware or a
crappy one on raku. Actually, I think seconds are in the eye of the
beholder sometimes, as I've seen all of the above being sold as regular pots
at various times . What WE sell as seconds are really one-offs, glaze
experiments, end-of-lines, etc. Things with cracks, chips,etc. get hammered
or turned into "garden art".
Dai in Armstrong, BC
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