Leland G. Hall on tue 30 jul 02
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:16:11 -0600, Dave Finkelnburg
wrote:
>Leland,
> The anser to Barb Mueller's question is, ITC is a family of commercial
>products made by International Technical Ceramics for application to metal
>and refractory material in kilns.
> You may not be aware of some of the rest of this. While what you
>suggest, Leland, is certainly possible, and legla since it's not a patented
>product as far as I know, many of us who are acquainted with the inventor
of
>ITC, Feriz Delkic, and who knew his wonderful wife, Alice, before she died,
>are not going to support your suggestion. Feriz and Alice, and now Feriz,
>have supported ClayArt at NCECA financially to a significant extent. While
>ITC is primarily an industrial product, Alice was endlessly helpful to
>potters, advising them of the right product, how to use it, explaining what
>tools were needed, etc. She was, and Feriz continues to be, very giving.
>Wonderful folks.
> I'll buy my ITC, thanks. To do anything else wouldn't feel right.
> With kind regards,
> Dave Finkelnburg, having a hard time seeing at the moment,
>thinking of Feriz in the ClayArt room in Kansas City last March, struggling
>without Alice there...
>
>From: "Leland G. Hall"
>> Yes, ITC is a comercial product that from what I have heard works really
>> well, and is also too darned expesive for my meager budget. But the
>> question of formula is a darned good one. I'd bet it's fairly simple.
>> Maybe someone ought to analyze a sample. I'd love to make to own. Is
>this
>> legal? Any thoughts?
>
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Thanks to Tom, Dave and others who had thoughts about making an ITC
facsimile in the studio. I stand corrected regarding ITC being a simple
formula. Well, I think I do any way. Sounds like nobody really knows
what's in the stuff but the inventor eh? And if anyone does, their not
saying out of loyalty to the inventor, and that's ok of course. I see that
some one thinks that since Mr. Delkic is highly educated that the formula
is by nessesity complicated. Well, it probably is, but your logic wouldn't
hold up in court. No matter. I agree that the process of finding out how
to make it would not be worth it. (For me any way) Nevertheless, I think
Dave is a little out there when he implies that it would be wrong to make
our own if we could do it affordably. I'm sure that Mr. Delkic is a fine
human being, and that he deserves whatever the market will bear for his
product. I am also sure that Mrs. Delkic was a fine lady. My
condolances. I don't know these people. Never met them. Ment no
disrespect, as was obvious. But you can bet that there are many of us that
will create our own tools and materials just because we can, and often too,
because it is cost effective. I don't know your occupation Dave, but I
suppose you are involved with the clay arts. Tell me, do you mix your own
clay? Or do you buy preprosessed clay so as to not deprive your local
ceramics supplier of your business? Your logic breaks down in my view. I
too believe in supporting entreupeneurship, small business and cottage
industry. It's even better when it's local, or friends. But I am not in
the habit of paying good money for something that I can produce myself.
This would be a moot point were it not for Mr. Finkelnburgs comment "I'll
buy ITC, to do any thing else wouldn't feel right". I'll probably buy ITC
too for that matter, but not for sentimental reasons (not that there's any
thing wrong with that) and also not to keep Mr. Delkic in business. I'll
buy it because I need it, and can't produce it my self. (not that there's
anything wrong with that either!) So, back to my original question---I was
just asking. And now I know. Well, I think I do any way. Thanks again.
Regards
Leland G. Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
La Pine, Oregon Where I just deprived my good friends at Georgies
Ceramic Supply the sale of a new kiln by re-wireing my old Duncan. And it
pissed them off. They told me so. Oh well. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
Craig Clark on tue 30 jul 02
Leland, if you are going to attack my logic or specificity of language I
suggest that you read what I have written more clearly. In the missive I
stated I believed that the inventor of ITC was working on a graduate degree
in chemistry and that the composition of it may (please look up the
definition of may if the word baffles you) not be that simple.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leland G. Hall"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: Zirconia wash -- reply to Leland--self sufficiency
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:16:11 -0600, Dave Finkelnburg
> wrote:
>
> >Leland,
> > The anser to Barb Mueller's question is, ITC is a family of
commercial
> >products made by International Technical Ceramics for application to
metal
> >and refractory material in kilns.
> > You may not be aware of some of the rest of this. While what you
> >suggest, Leland, is certainly possible, and legla since it's not a
patented
> >product as far as I know, many of us who are acquainted with the inventor
> of
> >ITC, Feriz Delkic, and who knew his wonderful wife, Alice, before she
died,
> >are not going to support your suggestion. Feriz and Alice, and now
Feriz,
> >have supported ClayArt at NCECA financially to a significant extent.
While
> >ITC is primarily an industrial product, Alice was endlessly helpful to
> >potters, advising them of the right product, how to use it, explaining
what
> >tools were needed, etc. She was, and Feriz continues to be, very giving.
> >Wonderful folks.
> > I'll buy my ITC, thanks. To do anything else wouldn't feel right.
> > With kind regards,
> > Dave Finkelnburg, having a hard time seeing at the moment,
> >thinking of Feriz in the ClayArt room in Kansas City last March,
struggling
> >without Alice there...
> >
> >From: "Leland G. Hall"
> >> Yes, ITC is a comercial product that from what I have heard works
really
> >> well, and is also too darned expesive for my meager budget. But the
> >> question of formula is a darned good one. I'd bet it's fairly simple.
> >> Maybe someone ought to analyze a sample. I'd love to make to own. Is
> >this
> >> legal? Any thoughts?
> >
>
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> melpots@pclink.com.
>
> Thanks to Tom, Dave and others who had thoughts about making an ITC
> facsimile in the studio. I stand corrected regarding ITC being a simple
> formula. Well, I think I do any way. Sounds like nobody really knows
> what's in the stuff but the inventor eh? And if anyone does, their not
> saying out of loyalty to the inventor, and that's ok of course. I see that
> some one thinks that since Mr. Delkic is highly educated that the formula
> is by nessesity complicated. Well, it probably is, but your logic
wouldn't
> hold up in court. No matter. I agree that the process of finding out how
> to make it would not be worth it. (For me any way) Nevertheless, I think
> Dave is a little out there when he implies that it would be wrong to make
> our own if we could do it affordably. I'm sure that Mr. Delkic is a fine
> human being, and that he deserves whatever the market will bear for his
> product. I am also sure that Mrs. Delkic was a fine lady. My
> condolances. I don't know these people. Never met them. Ment no
> disrespect, as was obvious. But you can bet that there are many of us
that
> will create our own tools and materials just because we can, and often
too,
> because it is cost effective. I don't know your occupation Dave, but I
> suppose you are involved with the clay arts. Tell me, do you mix your own
> clay? Or do you buy preprosessed clay so as to not deprive your local
> ceramics supplier of your business? Your logic breaks down in my view. I
> too believe in supporting entreupeneurship, small business and cottage
> industry. It's even better when it's local, or friends. But I am not in
> the habit of paying good money for something that I can produce myself.
> This would be a moot point were it not for Mr. Finkelnburgs comment "I'll
> buy ITC, to do any thing else wouldn't feel right". I'll probably buy ITC
> too for that matter, but not for sentimental reasons (not that there's any
> thing wrong with that) and also not to keep Mr. Delkic in business. I'll
> buy it because I need it, and can't produce it my self. (not that there's
> anything wrong with that either!) So, back to my original question---I was
> just asking. And now I know. Well, I think I do any way. Thanks again.
>
> Regards
> Leland G. Hall
> Before The Wheel Enterprises
> La Pine, Oregon Where I just deprived my good friends at Georgies
> Ceramic Supply the sale of a new kiln by re-wireing my old Duncan. And it
> pissed them off. They told me so. Oh well. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
>
>
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