Dannon Rhudy on sun 25 aug 02
Rush said:
>An MFA only says you are willing to compromise your aesthetics and soul
for a piece of paper....Anything god gave you to work with will be
"refined" away and you will come out making the shit they told you
to....Only hard work makes you confident and mature....No one with a degree
for a goal is working from the heart...No hard work is done; only, "I hope
HE or SHE likes this"........
Hyperbole, generalization and exaggeration seems to be your mode,
currently. I reject your assertion that an MFA "only" says one
is willing to compromise aesthetics and
soul. For anything, much less a piece of paper. I assure you, sir, that
nothing has been "refined away" from me, and that no one, NO one
told me - nor TELLS me- what to make, nor when to make. I am not
now nor have I ever been anyone's toady. You have a very peculiar
idea of what goes on in graduate programs. Some are good, some
are not. My own experience was precisely that: my own experience.
On the whole, it was a good one: the opportunity to focus stringently on
my work for a period of three years was of great value to me. No
hard work is done? Ridiculous. In the first place, you are wrong.
In the second place, how would you possibly know? "I hope he or
she likes this"? Oh, please. In my experience, "he or she" doesn't
give a good goddamn WHAT is made. They only press for hard
work, and a lot of it.
Your assumptions of omniscience are tiresome. And rude.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
artimater on sun 25 aug 02
Vince wrote:
When you get out, galleries will be more approachable because you and =
your
work will be more confident and mature. But when it comes down to it, =
it
certainly doesn't hurt to have the credential. Yes, having an MFA does =
sort
of give you the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval in the fine art/craft
world, for whatever that is worth
An MFA only says you are willing to compromise your aesthetics and soul =
for a piece of paper....Anything god gave you to work with will be =
"refined" away and you will come out making the shit they told you =
to....Only hard work makes you confident and mature....No one with a =
degree for a goal is working from the heart...No hard work is done; =
only, "I hope HE or SHE likes this".....It is about appeaseing the =
posers on their pedestals...I've always had much more fun mollifying =
them and making them lose their balance and start stuttering...
A little Fripperism....."It don't make no differance what you think =
about me....Makes a whole lot of differance what I think about YOU"
PAX,
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of =
indulgences and snakes handy"
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spincy68@CS.COM on sun 25 aug 02
i would venture to say that hostility based in insecurity about not having an mfa is not a valid argument against getting one.
artimater wrote:
>Vince wrote:
>When you get out, galleries will be more approachable because you and your
>work will be more confident and mature. But when it comes down to it, it
>certainly doesn't hurt to have the credential. Yes, having an MFA does sort
>of give you the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval in the fine art/craft
>world, for whatever that is worth
>
>An MFA only says you are willing to compromise your aesthetics and soul for a piece of paper....Anything god gave you to work with will be "refined" away and you will come out making the shit they told you to....Only hard work makes you confident and mature....No one with a degree for a goal is working from the heart...No hard work is done; only, "I hope HE or SHE likes this".....It is about appeaseing the posers on their pedestals...I've always had much more fun mollifying them and making them lose their balance and start stuttering...
> A little Fripperism....."It don't make no differance what you think about me....Makes a whole lot of differance what I think about YOU"
>PAX,
>Rush
>"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences and snakes handy"
>http://artimator.com
>rush@artimator.com
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasceramics/
>Artimator Galleries
>2420 Briarwood Ln.
>Carrollton, TX 75006
>972-841-1857
>
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vince pitelka on sun 25 aug 02
> An MFA only says you are willing to compromise your aesthetics and soul =
> for a piece of paper....Anything god gave you to work with will be =
> "refined" away and you will come out making the shit they told you =
> to....Only hard work makes you confident and mature....No one with a =
> degree for a goal is working from the heart...No hard work is done; =
> only, "I hope HE or SHE likes this".....It is about appeaseing the =
> posers on their pedestals...I've always had much more fun mollifying =
> them and making them lose their balance and start stuttering...
I guess I have become accustom to such cynicism from our dear Artimater. He
writes such intersting stuff some times, but the above is of course
unudulterated bullshit, other than the statement "Only hard work makes you
confident and mature. I agree with that entirely, and with all the
resources and facilities available, graduate school offers the most ideal
circumstances for such hard work. Graduate school is what you make of it,
and if you go into it confident of your decision, and you select the right
program with the right faculty, and you are ready to work hard, it will be
an extremely productive experience that will make your more autonomous and
self-directed as an artist and as a person. Anyone who allows academic
study in art to suppress or replace personal experience and true individual
expression in the development of their artwork really shouldn't be in
school, because they are far too pliant for that environment. That is not
what academic study is about at all, but I do not expect Artimater to
understand that or agree with it. That's okay.
Wilson -
In making your decision, listen to the opinions from people who have been
through graduate school. Don't listen to sour grapes from people who never
did it and spew lame negative generalizations about graduate school.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@worldnet.att.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Kenneth Guill on mon 26 aug 02
Man! An MFA is not at ticket to greatness nor the road to perdition!Think of
going to grad school like seeking a doctor. Check it out if it doesn't feel
right to you look at another program. A good program gives you access to
other people seeking to find their way in Clay or whatever. Does the school
have good equipment? Is the program flexible? Yes. You can have a bad time
with some professors who are only there to stroke their own egos but deal
with it and take advantage of what the school has to offer-kilns, equipment,
supplies, visiting artist. Kenn
iandol on tue 27 aug 02
Dear Dannon Rhudy,
Any wish to follow a pathway to learning at a higher level than one's =
current standing is to be applauded, regardless of the perception of =
quality or reward.
It is a privilege to be allowed to access otherwise expensive resources, =
be they stored in libraries, or workshops or the interstices of other =
peoples minds.
There are many ways to stand and be counted. I found post graduate =
studies to be one of the best. As you infer, whatever stage you enter, =
it is hard work. Those who contemplate post graduate studies need =
strength of character, an ability to cope with competition and a =
willingness to change their attitudes.
Enjoyed reading your comments.
Best regards,
Ivor.=20
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