BVCuma on tue 3 sep 02
Actually a loss of sensation..
My squatting while throwing position..
Has from the first day "pinched" a nerve in the knee area.
I have the lost muscle control to raise ball area of the foot..
though the toes raise, less so than the other foot, with more "effort"
a numbness in the knee occurs when squatting..
a sense of subtle "swelling" and tingling.
The foot slaps down when walking
particularly with heavy shoes=20
and reduced balance control on uneven ground..
I was not too concerned at first as I figured in a day or two=20
it would sort itself out..It been a week now..
Reduced my hours to two today..
With lots of standing and walking between pots..
I am becoming a bit worried.
Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
Bruce
Lily Krakowski on tue 3 sep 02
Sounds like sciatica to me who am NOT a physician, but suffer from sciatica
de temps en temps.
I had very bad pains in my knee went to the orthopedist got the usual we-
are -not -getting- any -younger,- are -we,- my- dear -speech. Friend pushed
me into seeing chiropractor who x-rayed BOTH knees showed me they were
equally arthritic. BUT my spine was out of whack enough to put pressure on
the branch of the sciatic nerve that goes down my left leg. That caused the
problem. With his "adjustments" and exercises I do fine. All gone.
PLEASE DO NOT MONKEY AROUND WITH THIS. IT MAY BE SOMETHING QUITE ELSE AND
THE SOONER YOU GET AN MD TO LOOK IT OVER THE BETTER OFF YOU WILL BE.
LETTUCE KNOW.
BVCuma writes:
> Actually a loss of sensation..
> My squatting while throwing position..
> Has from the first day "pinched" a nerve in the knee area.
> I have the lost muscle control to raise ball area of the foot..
> though the toes raise, less so than the other foot, with more "effort"
> a numbness in the knee occurs when squatting..
> a sense of subtle "swelling" and tingling.
> The foot slaps down when walking
> particularly with heavy shoes
> and reduced balance control on uneven ground..
> I was not too concerned at first as I figured in a day or two
> it would sort itself out..It been a week now..
> Reduced my hours to two today..
> With lots of standing and walking between pots..
> I am becoming a bit worried.
> Any feedback appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
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Jeremy McLeod on tue 3 sep 02
BVCuma wrote:
> Any feedback appreciated.
How about letting this worry you all the way to your doctor's office
and/or someone who specializes in "sports medicine"? Sounds like
best not to mess around with this one!
Jeremy McLeod
Carole Rishel on tue 3 sep 02
How bout a Chiropractor?
Carole Rishel
kallahcee@msn.com
Smithville, TX =20
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----- Original Message -----
From: BVCuma
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:59 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Pain in the ass
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Actually a loss of sensation..
My squatting while throwing position..
Has from the first day "pinched" a nerve in the knee area.
I have the lost muscle control to raise ball area of the foot..
though the toes raise, less so than the other foot, with more "effort"
a numbness in the knee occurs when squatting..
a sense of subtle "swelling" and tingling.
The foot slaps down when walking
particularly with heavy shoes =20
and reduced balance control on uneven ground..
I was not too concerned at first as I figured in a day or two =20
it would sort itself out..It been a week now..
Reduced my hours to two today..
With lots of standing and walking between pots..
I am becoming a bit worried.
Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
Bruce
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Autumn Downey on tue 3 sep 02
Hi Bruce,
where are you located? Am I mistaken or are you doing some major pottery
on a "primitive wheel" - that is non-electric? And very low?
This won't help, but I live in northern Canada and am always surprised at
the flexibility of native people - the elders in fact - who do alot of
their work sitting on the ground or otherwise hunkered down. I think
somewhere my genes got adapted to chairs and couches as this would be very
painful in short order.
Or maybe it's not genetic, but the habits (and muscles) have to be formed
much earlier in life.
Autumn Downey
At 08:13 PM 2002-09-03 +0520, you wrote:
>Actually a loss of sensation..
>My squatting while throwing position..
>Has from the first day "pinched" a nerve in the knee area.
>I have the lost muscle control to raise ball area of the foot..
>though the toes raise, less so than the other foot, with more "effort"
>a numbness in the knee occurs when squatting..
>a sense of subtle "swelling" and tingling.
>The foot slaps down when walking
>particularly with heavy shoes
>and reduced balance control on uneven ground..
>I was not too concerned at first as I figured in a day or two
>it would sort itself out..It been a week now..
>Reduced my hours to two today..
>With lots of standing and walking between pots..
>I am becoming a bit worried.
>Any feedback appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Bruce
>
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Ilene Mahler on tue 3 sep 02
I've had it in the neck and use traction..Don't know about the
ass...Ilene..call the doctor before it gets worse
----- Original Message -----
From: BVCuma
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: Pain in the ass
Actually a loss of sensation..
My squatting while throwing position..
Has from the first day "pinched" a nerve in the knee area.
I have the lost muscle control to raise ball area of the foot..
though the toes raise, less so than the other foot, with more "effort"
a numbness in the knee occurs when squatting..
a sense of subtle "swelling" and tingling.
The foot slaps down when walking
particularly with heavy shoes
and reduced balance control on uneven ground..
I was not too concerned at first as I figured in a day or two
it would sort itself out..It been a week now..
Reduced my hours to two today..
With lots of standing and walking between pots..
I am becoming a bit worried.
Any feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
Bruce
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Alan Lent Sr. on tue 3 sep 02
Get to see a Dr. IMMEDIATELY!! Sports medicine or Osteopath (DO). May =
require a referral from your primary care physician. You may have =
sciatica problems, "slipped" disc or a compressed disc. Nothing to fool =
with. A chiropractor may help, but only after diagnosis by an MD.
I had "back problems" for years. chiropractor could alleviate symptoms =
but not on a long term basis. After MD diagnosis with x-rays, =
misaligned pelvis, chiropractor and Osteopath fixed me up. Could take a =
while, but should be able to advise on posture (position) while working, =
etc. =20
Good luck
Alan
vince pitelka on tue 3 sep 02
> >Actually a loss of sensation..
> >My squatting while throwing position..
Bruce -
As you no doubt know, modern wheels are almost always far too low, and when
we sit at them, our hips and knees are bent at an acute angle, and our
ankles are often stressed. This is terrible for circulation.
To compound the problem, many people sit on a conventional chair, which
slopes towards the back, making the knee and hip angles even sharper.
33 years ago I learned to throw on one of those old wood-frame kick wheels
with a high, slanted bench, so my thighs were pointing down slightly, and
the hip and knee angles were open beyond 90 degrees. This was a very
comfortable throwing position, and anything lower has seemed inadequate ever
since.
Other than wheels with a fixed pedal attached to the housing, any variable
speed electric wheel can be elevated to correct this flaw, with a
corresponding elevated bench or chair. Ideally, this should be done BEFORE
circulation problems appear.
I hope you are able to find some relief for this problem. I am in agreement
with those who say you should get your butt in to a doctor immediately.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@worldnet.att.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Janet Kaiser on thu 5 sep 02
Sorry to hear of your problems, Bruce. Am I right in thinking you are
abroad (in India?) and this is the way everyone is traditionally expected
to work? No alternatives? No way of buying or building a kick-wheel to
stand at and alleviate the pressure on your groins? A specialist doctor may
not be available to you either?
If so, it may colour what solutions are suggested on list. It may be
appropriate to give the full background story, so others can think of
solutions outside their experience.
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
BVCuma on sat 7 sep 02
>>Sorry to hear of your problems, Bruce.
A specialist doctor may
not be available to you either?<< ( ya hard to find a good one )
_________________________
Dear Janet,
I appreciate your concern..
and the many others who took the time and effort
to help me get a better idea of what is happening.
I can say it is not a back or disc problem.. nor arthritis.
The sclerotic nerve is what it is I'm quite sure.
It is "kinked" at the knee and has everything to do with the posture,
That is not only used for throwing here but in socializing etc.
It is very much about the genetics of the body type.
Westerners just are not designed for it..too tight in the pelvis region.
Some responded reassuring me it was mostly a
matter of time, from three months to a year.
No shoes, loose waist band etc when working..
knees bent no more than 90 degrees etc.
Stretching with "awareness"..yoga, self massage, Qi Gong etc.
An experienced mailer suggested to keep away from the "docs"
Surgeons, Chiropractors etc..I have to agree.
When I did see one for a "kinked" neck..
he fixed it all right, gave me a nice explanation
of how he was going to balance out this and then that..
Ya I walked out with two kinks..one on each side... lol
So I see a doctor if I feel I don't understand what is happening..
I know there is not much they can do for the nerves..
that I can't do on my own..not much choice there.
So mostly it is a irritation..
a subtle limp (I have learned to compensate)
or stumble when the foot
is not lifted as high as I think.
Its not too bad...
though it makes me look a bit clumsy at times : )
Otherwise,
I'm forty today.
and I think this is middle age...
for the first time it feels like it too...
mentally as well as the physical.
Thanks very much for the generous feedback.
It has made all the difference.
Bruce
BVCuma on sat 7 sep 02
>>Sorry to hear of your problems, Bruce.
A specialist doctor may
not be available to you either?<< ( ya hard to find a good one )
_________________________
Dear Janet,
I appreciate your concern..
and the many others who took the time and effort
to help me get a better idea of what is happening.
I can say it is not a back or disc problem.. nor arthritis.
The sciatic nerve is what it is I'm quite sure.
It is "kinked" at the knee and has everything to do with the posture,
That is not only used for throwing here but in socializing etc.
It is very much about the genetics of the body type.
Westerners just are not designed for it..too tight in the pelvis region.
Some responded reassuring me it was mostly a
matter of time, from three months to a year.
No shoes, loose waist band etc when working..
knees bent no more than 90 degrees etc.
Stretching with "awareness"..yoga, self massage, Qi Gong etc.
An experienced mailer suggested to keep away from the "docs"
Surgeons, Chiropractors etc..I have to agree.
When I did see one for a "kinked" neck..
he fixed it all right, gave me a nice explanation
of how he was going to balance out this and then that..
Ya I walked out with two kinks..one on each side... lol
So I see a doctor if I feel I don't understand what is happening..
I know there is not much they can do for the nerves..
that I can't do on my own..not much choice there.
So mostly it is a irritation..
a subtle limp (I have learned to compensate)
or stumble when the foot
is not lifted as high as I think.
Its not too bad...
though it makes me look a bit clumsy at times : )
Otherwise,
I'm forty today.
and I think this is middle age...
for the first time it feels like it too...
mentally as well as the physical.
Thanks very much for the generous feedback.
It has made all the difference.
Bruce
Tom's E-mail on sat 7 sep 02
Bruce,
I'll start by saying that not everything is fixable; the sciatic nerve [not
the sclerotic nerve] will cause pain in the hip area and down into the leg;
sometimes this is due to compression because of a disc extrusion in the
lower back. Ignoring it can be a problem.
Not every doctor is a good doctor - like there are differences in the
ability of potters. If I bought a pot that leached its glaze, I wouldn't
condemn all potters. I have common sense and if I bought a bad pot I
wouldn't buy from that potter but I wouldn't quit buying/using pottery.
Much in medicine is psychosomatic and all manners of treatment may help if
the problem is pschosomatic. But if the problem is "physical/biochemical"
then someone with a scientific background - a physician/M.D is your best
bet. If you see one that can't or doesn't help go to another.
Tom Sawyer
tsawyer@cfl.rr.com
Janet Kaiser on sun 8 sep 02
Many Happy Returns of the Day, Bruce!
40 eh? Well, it is one of those landmark birthdays, but just think of it as
being a half way house and it will not feel so bad!
Ah, I thought it might be the hunkering down which was affecting you. We
sadly grow out of this ability at around age 6 in the west. I is actually a
very ergonomic posture, you just have 34 years of western style sitting to
correct! How long have you been adopting this new habit? It may well be
that it could sort itself out as your body becomes used to it. You will be
needing to lengthen ham strings, sinews and all the other elastic parts of
your anatomy. I am no doctor, but have been told by various yoga
practitioners that it is never too late to re-educate the body.
And there is no need to age mentally, you know! My Grandmother famously
said "All this outside (her frail body) may be old, but I am still an 18
year old girl inside". She was 95 at the time.
Here's to the next 40 years, eh?
Best wishes
Janet
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On 07/09/02 at 22:07 BVCuma wrote:
>>>Sorry to hear of your problems, Bruce.
>A specialist doctor may
>not be available to you either?<< ( ya hard to find a good one )
>_________________________
>
>Dear Janet,
>
>I appreciate your concern..
>and the many others who took the time and effort
>to help me get a better idea of what is happening.
>
>I can say it is not a back or disc problem.. nor arthritis.
>The sclerotic nerve is what it is I'm quite sure.
>It is "kinked" at the knee and has everything to do with the posture,
>That is not only used for throwing here but in socializing etc.
>It is very much about the genetics of the body type.
>Westerners just are not designed for it..too tight in the pelvis region.
>
>Some responded reassuring me it was mostly a
>matter of time, from three months to a year.
>No shoes, loose waist band etc when working..
>knees bent no more than 90 degrees etc.
>Stretching with "awareness"..yoga, self massage, Qi Gong etc.
>
>
>An experienced mailer suggested to keep away from the "docs"
>Surgeons, Chiropractors etc..I have to agree.
>When I did see one for a "kinked" neck..
>he fixed it all right, gave me a nice explanation
>of how he was going to balance out this and then that..
>Ya I walked out with two kinks..one on each side... lol
>
>So I see a doctor if I feel I don't understand what is happening..
>I know there is not much they can do for the nerves..
>that I can't do on my own..not much choice there.
>
>So mostly it is a irritation..
>a subtle limp (I have learned to compensate)
>or stumble when the foot
>is not lifted as high as I think.
>Its not too bad...
>though it makes me look a bit clumsy at times : )
>
>Otherwise,
>I'm forty today.
>and I think this is middle age...
>for the first time it feels like it too...
>mentally as well as the physical.
>
>Thanks very much for the generous feedback.
>It has made all the difference.
>
>Bruce
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
___
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
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melpots@pclink.com.
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
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