iandol on thu 12 sep 02
From what little experience I have had of children and art, the disaster =
starts when a child is told "Do Not Do it That Way" or just "Do not do =
that".
Two examples. =20
A child wanders out of view and when found has taken the contents of its =
diaper and used these to draw patterns over the walls, with its hands. =
Superb, Expressive, Dynamic, Flowing lines.=20
Young children are often asked to, or choose to draw people. Many images =
show a small circle or round space with several marks within the area, =
on top of a rough triangular shape which has a wide base. Two lumps will =
project from the sides of the round space. Wrong says the adult in =
charge, people look like this. Knowledgeable adult will draw a stick =
figure with separate head on shoulders, body space and legs, usually =
with some form of gender bias.
Just thoughts.
Best regards,
Ivor.
Jeremy/Bonnie Hellman on fri 13 sep 02
My mother's favorite saying, and one which I passed on to our children, is:
"When you're the artist, you can make it any way you want and any color that
you want."
It's a creed to live by.
Bonnie
Bonnie Hellman
About to start the drive back to Pittsburgh, PA from SW Colorado on Saturday
;-(
----- Original Message -----
From: "iandol"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Children as artists
From what little experience I have had of children and art, the disaster
starts when a child is told "Do Not Do it That Way" or just "Do not do
that".
Two examples.
A child wanders out of view and when found has taken the contents of its
diaper and used these to draw patterns over the walls, with its hands.
Superb, Expressive, Dynamic, Flowing lines.
Young children are often asked to, or choose to draw people. Many images
show a small circle or round space with several marks within the area, on
top of a rough triangular shape which has a wide base. Two lumps will
project from the sides of the round space. Wrong says the adult in charge,
people look like this. Knowledgeable adult will draw a stick figure with
separate head on shoulders, body space and legs, usually with some form of
gender bias.
Just thoughts.
Best regards,
Ivor.
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Craig Clark on fri 13 sep 02
Ivor, sooooooo, from this I'm able to conclude that exretion, or the
unencumbered movement thereof, is the source of true expression? Gives new
and deeper meaning to the extended ponderings I've had while perched on the
throne.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
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----- Original Message -----
From: "iandol"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: Children as artists
From what little experience I have had of children and art, the disaster
starts when a child is told "Do Not Do it That Way" or just "Do not do
that".
Two examples.
A child wanders out of view and when found has taken the contents of its
diaper and used these to draw patterns over the walls, with its hands.
Superb, Expressive, Dynamic, Flowing lines.
Young children are often asked to, or choose to draw people. Many images
show a small circle or round space with several marks within the area, on
top of a rough triangular shape which has a wide base. Two lumps will
project from the sides of the round space. Wrong says the adult in charge,
people look like this. Knowledgeable adult will draw a stick figure with
separate head on shoulders, body space and legs, usually with some form of
gender bias.
Just thoughts.
Best regards,
Ivor.
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iandol on sat 14 sep 02
Dear Craig Clark,
Given spreadable pigment and a surface to which it can be applied, we =
all at some time or other will make our mark. Marks are the basic tools =
of visual expression (substitute Shapes and a plastic medium for tactile =
expression through Form).
Suppression of these elementary skills and the stimuli which prompt us =
to use them negates artistic development. Furthermore, at an early age, =
our vision and touch are true to the nature of the experience.
Please continue your enthroned meditation.
Best regards,
Ivor
John Baymore on sun 15 sep 02
A child wanders out of view and when found has taken the contents of its
diaper and used these to draw patterns over the walls, with its hands.
Superb, Expressive, Dynamic, Flowing lines.
Ivor,
So... would this be "crappy" art...... or good art? . And does the
medium tend to indicate it as art or craft?
Sorry...... couldn't resist.
Best,
..............................john
John Baymore
River Bend Pottery
22 Riverbend Way
Wilton, NH 03086 USA
603-654-2752 (s)
800-900-1110 (s)
JohnBaymore.com
JBaymore@compuserve.com
RPeckham@COOKSONELECTRONICS.COM on mon 16 sep 02
Years ago I worked with severely autistic people. One of these people was
the picasso of feces smearing. He had to wear leg restraints, as well as
arm restraints. The arm restraints coupled his wrists to a thick belt at
this waist.
I have seen him smear somebody from head to toe, and get it in every
orifice of the poor bastards head before anybody could react to stop him.
So I guess in reality, he was not autistic, but artistic. Thanks for the
clarity.
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