Dave Finkelnburg on mon 16 sep 02
Tim,
Blue is indeed totally evil. Do not succumb to it! It will sweep you
under! You'll never be the same...
The fact that blue is typically as popular or more popular than all the
other possible colors put together should not influence you to ever glaze
anything blue. Why the majority of humans are more attracted to blue than
other colors is one of those mysteries science has yet to unravel. However,
it's quite certain when this is understood, the cause will be something
completely sinister.
Just remember, blue is bad. Use it only at your peril!
Dave Finkelnburg, an earth-tone person living in a world of blue in
Idaho
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim"
> Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but I
> don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
> recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular?? What am I
> missing? Please enlighten me quickly so I'm not sucked into the dark
(blue)
> side here! :-)
foxpots on mon 16 sep 02
Dear Tim and Fellow Clay Arters,
The pallet of my work consists of: Dark Blue, Dark Blue with Light Blue,
Teal (dipped in blue and sprayed over with green), Chinese Red and Rutile (a
heavily impregnated iron red with a creamy more flowing glaze over it,
Mirror Black (Albany Slip with Cobalt Oxide)-looks like pewter. I also
sometimes will offer green, but find myself limited to four basic colors
because of limited space on the shelves. To me it seems like reverse
snobbism to reject blue out of hand. No offense meant to those who do not
agree. I am too indebted to all of you and especially Mel for your
contributions to my knowledge. Anyway, blue will always be an important
part of my pallet. It does sell more slowly than any of my other glazes,
but to me is simply beautiful and deep and luscious.
Respectfully,
Jean Wadsworth Cochran
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: The Blue Problem
> Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but I
> don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
> recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular?? What am I
> missing? Please enlighten me quickly so I'm not sucked into the dark
(blue)
> side here! :-)
>
> - Tim Miller -
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
> Behalf Of Tommy Humphries
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:31 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: story two
>
>
> mel,
>
> not only is it mothers, and mothers in law that like that blue
> back a couple of years ago i was doing some color tests for the folks here
> at marshall pottery.
> the usual mason, degussa, and colorobia stains...plus i threw in some
> straight cobalt oxide and some
> cobalt oxide/titanium dioxide just to liven up the party.
>
> well, the 3% unsieved cobalt was a big hit...the marketing "woman" (won't
> call here here what we called here there) took the first piece off the
kiln
> straight to a big sales marketing show in chicago...took orders for
> them...called the shit "forever blue"...everyone and their grandmother
> wanted it.
>
> of course we are a sizable company, even larger then, so all the pottery
> needs to look reasonably identical to what is in the catalogs...forever
blue
> was a nightmare to apply, too thin and it was a speckled sky blue...too
> thick it was vicks salve jar blue....they wanted that medium blue with the
> dark speckling...damn near impossible to achieve consistant results
> spraying...can't tell how thick that dark gray glaze is.
>
> we sold that stuff for a whole year...people went crazy, of course those
> ordering from the catalog wanted a pot that looked just like the one in
the
> book...the odd ball pots got put on the shelf to make the tourists happy.
>
> that glaze with the 3% cobalt and 5% titanium was the real winner in my
> mind...a great cobalt green, ranging from a nice grass green when applied
> medium thin, to a great green agate effect when thick...the marketing
> bit...woman never looked at it twice.
>
> go figger...
>
> Tommy
>
>
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Earl Brunner on mon 16 sep 02
There is the perception or idea that "anything will sell if it is blue"
therefore you do not have to be a good potter to sell if you paint
everything blue. Therefore if your work is blue, it must not be
good............ The logic breaks down, but persists never the less.
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On
Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 5:37 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: The Blue Problem
Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but
I
don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular
Ned Ludd on mon 16 sep 02
>Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but I
>don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
>recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular?? What am I
>missing? Please enlighten me quickly so I'm not sucked into the dark (blue)
>side here! :-)
>
>- Tim Miller -
>Indianapolis, IN
Welcome to Clayart, Tim! And may I say you put the issue well. ;->
It's not just blue. The vile variant, hackles-raising, MIL Blue glaze
may well be spawned by the Dark Side, whence also emanate mothers in
law - in my none too objective experience, anyway.
Wait, you wanted advice about a glaze, not mothers in law.
I can only say that anyone who likes being screamed at all day long
in their own home - another apt reason for the MIL moniker, haha! -
will love MIL blue. Once in its fatal position, inside your nest, it
howls - Come Here Duckie! Then it gobbles your eyeballs, spits your
neural cortex onto your carpet and sends the rest of you reeling into
your E-Z recliner. At this point you will be desperately tempted to
turn on the TV and slip into merciful unconsciousness. But NO! There
is not a moment to lose - you must destroy the thing immediately!
Why? Because if it gets you where it wants you, you will spend your
entire career as a potter working for customers who can't get enough
of kitsch.
If that is not a dreadful fate then I am not a potter!
best,
Ned
Tim on mon 16 sep 02
Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but I
don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular?? What am I
missing? Please enlighten me quickly so I'm not sucked into the dark (blue)
side here! :-)
- Tim Miller -
Indianapolis, IN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of Tommy Humphries
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:31 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: story two
mel,
not only is it mothers, and mothers in law that like that blue
back a couple of years ago i was doing some color tests for the folks here
at marshall pottery.
the usual mason, degussa, and colorobia stains...plus i threw in some
straight cobalt oxide and some
cobalt oxide/titanium dioxide just to liven up the party.
well, the 3% unsieved cobalt was a big hit...the marketing "woman" (won't
call here here what we called here there) took the first piece off the kiln
straight to a big sales marketing show in chicago...took orders for
them...called the shit "forever blue"...everyone and their grandmother
wanted it.
of course we are a sizable company, even larger then, so all the pottery
needs to look reasonably identical to what is in the catalogs...forever blue
was a nightmare to apply, too thin and it was a speckled sky blue...too
thick it was vicks salve jar blue....they wanted that medium blue with the
dark speckling...damn near impossible to achieve consistant results
spraying...can't tell how thick that dark gray glaze is.
we sold that stuff for a whole year...people went crazy, of course those
ordering from the catalog wanted a pot that looked just like the one in the
book...the odd ball pots got put on the shelf to make the tourists happy.
that glaze with the 3% cobalt and 5% titanium was the real winner in my
mind...a great cobalt green, ranging from a nice grass green when applied
medium thin, to a great green agate effect when thick...the marketing
bit...woman never looked at it twice.
go figger...
Tommy
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Earl Brunner on tue 17 sep 02
A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue is of the Dark
side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On
Behalf Of Dave Finkelnburg
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:28 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: The Blue Problem
Tim,
Blue is indeed totally evil. Do not succumb to it! It will sweep
you
under! You'll never be the same...
The fact that blue is typically as popular or more popular than all
the
other possible colors put together should not influence you to ever
glaze
anything blue. Why the majority of humans are more attracted to blue
than
other colors is one of those mysteries science has yet to unravel.
However,
it's quite certain when this is understood, the cause will be something
completely sinister.
Just remember, blue is bad. Use it only at your peril!
Dave Finkelnburg, an earth-tone person living in a world of
blue in
Idaho
ASHPOTS@AOL.COM on tue 17 sep 02
Hi hope ALL of you dont use blue ,so when we go to shows i will sell out the
first day
really
Mark
Jennifer F Boyer on tue 17 sep 02
You nailed it Janet.....
I've thought about what makes blue so appealing to the public.
There IS the sky/water comfort connection. There are also SO
many pottery traditions that use blue as a core of the "look". I
think it's because cobalt is such a cooperative, reliable,
predictable material. To know it is to love it, if you want
control. Cobalt is easy to use for brushwork, unlike iron which
is difficult to control(leading to a generous amount of
serendipity). I guess cobalt is for control freaks....iron is
for poets. Anyway, cobalt is in the history of a lot of
cultures: it feels familiar. Hence it sells....and gets boring
for the maker cuz it's SO predictable.....
Jennifer, who made a YUMMY new glaze combo: all cafe au lait and
whipped cream and shaved chocolate
colors....I was excited to put it out at a craft show and see
how it went with the public last weekend: zip. nil. Noone even
picked up the pieces that made me so happy. I also had a new
jade green color with blue and green brushwork that leaped off
the shelves into their hands. So the cafe au lait bowls are now
in my cupboard... I guess Janet's talking about the difference
between what customers see and what I see.
Janet Kaiser wrote:
>
> I'll probably get shot for saying this, Tim, but I believe the slight
> aversion to blue some voice, comes with "ceramic maturity". I'll hasten to
> explain:
>
>. "Beginners Blue" is
> the ideal way to take us through those early discoveries and education in
> glaze technology... Usually a stable and acceptable glaze, which anyone can
> make and fire successfully.
>
> Of course, at some point it all becomes too easy and predictable...
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Jennifer Boyer mailto:jboyer@adelphia.net
Thistle Hill Pottery Montpelier VT USA
http://www.thistlehillpottery.com/
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for web hoaxes and junk:
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http://snopes.com
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Russel Fouts on wed 18 sep 02
No, No, No,
Mother-in-law Blue was forged in fires of Mordor and must be returned
there by meldo and the haystack fellowship to be unmade for the world is
in peril.
Ru
-----------------------------
--
Russel Fouts
Mes Potes & Mes Pots
Brussels, Belgium
Tel: +32 2 223 02 75
Mobile: +32 476 55 38 75
Http://www.mypots.com
http://www.Japan-Net.ne.jp/~iwcat
"There is a theory which states that
if ever anyone discovers exactly what
the universe is for and why it's here,
it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizzarly
inexplicable."
"There is another theory which states
that this has already happened!"
Douglas Adams' The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
C.T. Wagoner on wed 18 sep 02
A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue is of the Dark
side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
OH No! Please tell me it's not true. We just purchased 5 lbs of Cobalt
Oxide. Is there anything it can be used for other than glaze? How can
we rid ourselves of this evil substance? (In an environmentally
appropriate fashion) Is there anyone out there that will take it away
from us? (We'll pay shipping and the "evil tax.)
Wait....I know...we'll use it to make RON ROY BLACK!
We're saved!
Lee Love on wed 18 sep 02
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
> A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue is of the Dark
> side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
I thought the Dark side light sabers were red.
Lee in Mashiko
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne." - Geoffrey Chaucer (c.
1340-1400).-
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Power unto all things to work and live." - Goethe -
Tim on wed 18 sep 02
Having only been on the list for about a month now, and still desperately
trying to keep up with my poor inbox, I can easily say that this has been,
by FAR, the most entertaining of the threads to date. Y'all have made my
week! I have especially appreciated the Star Wars and Lord Of The Rings
responses (both very near and dear to my heart.)
Somewhere in the midst of all the disagreement, humor, and sporadic
silliness, I think I actually got a good answer to my question! One that
made sense even! I shall now go forth with the "inside line" on why potters
in general (but not universally) feel the way they do about blue. And I
promise that, when I make a blue pot (and I will), it shall only be with all
the appropriate and obligatory outward complaining, whining, grumbling, etc.
... even if I do secretly love that particular shade of the color and
conspire to make more! :-)
Best regards to all.
- Tim Miller -
Jeremy McLeod on wed 18 sep 02
I went to High School with a person who was even then an amazingly skilled
illustrator/artist. He did indeed go on for degrees with a fine arts background.
He also decided somewhere along the line that being a starving artist wasn't his
style. Maybe he'd done that in a past life, who knows? In the poster-mad later
60's and 70's he determined to produce commercial product with an elegance that
became much sought after and easily recognized as the work of David Lance Goines.
I'd lost touch with him by then, but it was clear to me that David was laughing
all the way to the bank, doing work about which he could feel good, and basically
enjoying himself and his art.
And the problem with blue would be???
Jeremy McLeod
Janet Kaiser on wed 18 sep 02
I'll probably get shot for saying this, Tim, but I believe the slight
aversion to blue some voice, comes with "ceramic maturity". I'll hasten to
explain:
When we start out making pots, the challenge of getting something good
enough to biscuit fire (let alone keep and glaze) takes all our time and
energy. The decoration and/or glaze comes way down on our list of
priorities at that point.
As we progress in acquiring skills, the decoration/glaze part of the
equation becomes more and more important, so from being just an unimportant
final touch, it then takes on a whole life of its own. "Beginners Blue" is
the ideal way to take us through those early discoveries and education in
glaze technology... Usually a stable and acceptable glaze, which anyone can
make and fire successfully. It is pleasing too... Friends and family all
love what you make, because blue is universally acceptable and does not
challenge in any way... Indeed blue is considered a healing colour and
being the colour of the sky and the ocean, it is also considered peaceful
and soothing to the human psyche in "colour psychology".
Of course, at some point it all becomes too easy and predictable... Humans
like to push the boundaries on all aspects of their work and suddenly that
stable Beginners Blue appears boring and common. We look at pictures in
books and pots in galleries and realise that there is a whole ceramic world
out there, which we have to look into... Our ceramic childhood sweetheart
is cast aside, as we delve into the possibilities of all those other
enticing jades...
On and on we go pursuing countless, illusive colours and effects... The
longer we work on refining all aspects of making our "perfect pot", the
more important the glaze becomes and our first love suddenly appears
childish... It does not really fit the ideal we are reaching for now we are
more mature. Too easy, not subtle enough, too common... there are all sorts
of other reasons for this change in personal taste, but I have seen it
happen so often with so many different potters, I come back to my "ceramic
maturity" theory.
Indeed, the longer one works with clay, the more one realises that blue is
not the most subtle choice and we finally just grow out of being true blue
potters. Although we never forget our first love nor fall out of love
completely, we court other newer fresher faces with a deeper appreciation
and never-ending delight. Some return to their first love and shun all the
other harlots they meet along the way, but others will take up with new
mistresses, leaving their first love stagnating on the shelf. Of course the
more illusive or flighty the mistress, the more enamoured we become.
Chasing the impossible dream is far more fun than being tied down for
life...
But of course they have a guilty conscience about that, so they rant about
true blue sweethearts... Don't take any notice of them though! WE ALL KNOW
what their problem really is... Pure guilt and simple shame!!! :-)
Janet Kaiser - Please don't shoot the messenger!
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>Ok, I have to ask. I'm relatively new to the whole pottery scene, but I
>don't get the blue problem being alluded to here. Is blue universally
>recognized as evil among potters just because it's popular?? What am I
>missing? Please enlighten me quickly so I'm not sucked into the dark
>(blue) side here! :-)
>
>- Tim Miller -
>Indianapolis, IN
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
iandol on thu 19 sep 02
Dear Potter W,
Some where in the vocabulary of Form there will be a Shape which, when =
married to MiL blue will create a pot which speaks volumes. Such is the =
Language of Pottery that the possibilities or endless.....
Best regards,
Ivor.
Steve Mills on thu 19 sep 02
In message , Earl Brunner writes
>A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue is of the Dark
>side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
>
>Earl Brunner
>mailto:bruec@anv.net
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
>
Ah Grasshopper!
At last you have discerned the true path from the many that only lead in
circles!
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
Janet Kaiser on thu 19 sep 02
Yes, Jennifer, that is where I was going with my late night ramblings...
:-)
What most clay artists and makers forget, is that they are lovers and
intimates of clay in every way. When we look at a pot (whether we made it
ourselves or by someone else -- contemporary or historical) the smallest
nuances are registered by the eye AND the brain.
However, most buyers see shape, function and colour only. It is a mostly
superficial subjective reaction and predetermined to some extent...
"favourite colour syndrome" always enters and blue remains in that
category. Even when they look and examine work closely, they are not
usually going to do the ceramic equivalent of looking deep into your eyes
and getting lost in the pools of colour down to the very soul within...
Only lovers do that!
And because blue is such a stable, universal ceramic colour and has been
for centuries, it is No. One in the popularity stakes. If red had been
equally stable and attainable over the years, I would not like to bet that
we would not be ranting about it in exactly the same way! Judging from how
quickly red pots sell and the number of red cars on the road, I would say
it is the next best bet for the potter reliant on selling work! So sorry,
your caf=E9 au lait with whipped cream and chocolate did not grab the
punters, but maybe some blue or red polka dots would do the trick? (only
kidding!)
As I think I have mentioned before... When I go up to the Frith's to chose
work, Margaret and David always smile when I come away with a 100%
"potter's choice" (their words, not mine). Colour, "faults", warts and
all... It takes much longer to sell and we should really return to the days
when Margaret (the more business manager type of the two) would chose what
to send us! That naturally included a large percentage of blue, the odd
green, a red or two and very few browns and blacks. However hard I try to
be a hard-nosed business person, I get carried away by the pots and always
seem to end up with a predominance of kaki and tenmoku glazes, with only
the odd alibi blue pot. And that is only because I do get guilty about the
commercial side of things... We need to sell pots to survive, just as the
makers do and if we get the reputation for only having "boring pots" it
would not do anyone any good...
I hasten to point out that I have nothing against blue!! As you say, there
is a deep cultural/historic association with blue, especially blue and
white domestic ware. I have a very small collection of blue and white
Victorian meat plates and chargers hanging on the wall, which I have always
loved. And if I was going to buy a commercial dinner service, it would just
have to be Royal Dansk and in a "money no object" situation it would
definitely be antique (the colour depth / intensity is stronger and more
appealing IMO). I could then throw out the "Willow Pattern" we have in
everyday use, which is what can be considered "traditional" domestic ware
here in rural Wales. It is even still sold at markets... Same patterns and
shapes my grandmother bought! (Great for stacking).
But given the opportunity of commissioning a dinner service from a
potter... Well, I would probably end up with something quite different,
whereas a "normal" person would stick to wanting blue. It is familiar and
safe. It is on the whole a little like saying "Gentlemen prefer blonds"...
Lucky for the brunettes, redheads and silver-tops amongst us that not all
do!
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser - whose biggest finger-down-throat-and-gag colour on pots is
PINK!!!
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 17/09/02 at 21:07 Jennifer F Boyer wrote:
>You nailed it Janet.....
>
>I've thought about what makes blue so appealing to the public.
>There IS the sky/water comfort connection. There are also SO
>many pottery traditions that use blue as a core of the "look". I
>think it's because cobalt is such a cooperative, reliable,
>predictable material. To know it is to love it, if you want
>control. Cobalt is easy to use for brushwork, unlike iron which
>is difficult to control(leading to a generous amount of
>serendipity). I guess cobalt is for control freaks....iron is
>for poets. Anyway, cobalt is in the history of a lot of
>cultures: it feels familiar. Hence it sells....and gets boring
>for the maker cuz it's SO predictable.....
>
>Jennifer, who made a YUMMY new glaze combo: all cafe au lait and
>whipped cream and shaved chocolate
>colors....I was excited to put it out at a craft show and see
>how it went with the public last weekend: zip. nil. Noone even
>picked up the pieces that made me so happy. I also had a new
>jade green color with blue and green brushwork that leaped off
>the shelves into their hands. So the cafe au lait bowls are now
>in my cupboard... I guess Janet's talking about the difference
>between what customers see and what I see.
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
Philip Poburka on fri 20 sep 02
You are correct Earl!
We are supposed to lock the Wheel into a stationary mode now
and then, and run 'round it for to do our Centering and
pulls...takes practice, but very satisfying!
Good excercise too...'aerobic', or so they say...
Phil
(also right here in 'sunny') ell vee...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Brunner"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: The Blue Problem
Hey, My wheel goes in circles!!!! Aren't we supposed to be
going in
circles?
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
In message , Earl Brunner writes
>A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue
is of the
Dark
>side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
>
>Earl Brunner
>mailto:bruec@anv.net
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
>
Ah Grasshopper!
At last you have discerned the true path from the many that
only lead in
circles!
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
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Earl Brunner on fri 20 sep 02
Hey, My wheel goes in circles!!!! Aren't we supposed to be going in
circles?
Earl Brunner
mailto:bruec@anv.net
http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
In message , Earl Brunner writes
>A true Jedi Potter does not have a blue light saber, Blue is of the
Dark
>side. Do not be seduced by the dark side.
>
>Earl Brunner
>mailto:bruec@anv.net
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/bruec
>
Ah Grasshopper!
At last you have discerned the true path from the many that only lead in
circles!
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
mel jacobson on wed 15 oct 03
i have come to some firm understandings about blue.
stand alone blue, has value, will sell.
always. and is the first to go out the door.
like ron roy, i have problems with stand alone blue.
it is personal, and my problem, not anyone else's.
so, i have come to accept that anytime i use blue (cobalt), i add
a percentage of chrome. it turns the blue to blue/green.
i can vary the amounts to create bbg, or ggb. just like
any paint pallet. the most important caution is do not
get that bg glaze in your white....it will turn it sick pink. chrome
is maverick and touchy.
so i always make my bbgg glaze as an under glaze.
i add the color to basic rhodes 32, then always cover
each pot with a top coat of rhodes 32 basic, with
rutile.
see mugs on my website, clayart page.
they seem to appear more blue than they really are.
they have that aqua tone.
mel
aqua, sea green, blue/green to teal is my favorite color of all time.
if you stand on the beach in dubai, with carol, and gaze at the
sea...well, that is the color. and, then you can have coffee with
carol, get all the news about dubai, and have a nice afternoon.
mel
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Hank Murrow on wed 15 oct 03
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 04:37 AM, mel jacobson wrote:
> i have come to some firm understandings about blue.
>
> stand alone blue, has value, will sell.
> always. and is the first to go out the door.
>
> like ron roy, i have problems with stand alone blue.
> it is personal, and my problem, not anyone else's.
>
> so, i have come to accept that anytime i use blue (cobalt), i add
> a percentage of chrome. it turns the blue to blue/green. Snip.......
> aqua, sea green, blue/green to teal is my favorite color of all time.
> if you stand on the beach in dubai, with carol, and gaze at the
> sea...well, that is the color. and, then you can have coffee with
> carol, get all the news about dubai, and have a nice afternoon.
Well, I don't know about standing on the beach in Dubai with Carol,
sounds pretty fine to me though. I like a C/10 reduction or oxidation
blue that comes from small amount of cobalt and twice that of rutile in
an alkaline/calcium glaze that doesn't have so much silica that it
won't go mat............looks like this, (b012 & b070 at
http://www.murrow.biz/hank/current-pots.htm )
The recipe is in Ian Currie's book, "Revealing
Glazes".............called "Bev's Smile", because she tested for it in
'65.
Cheers to Blue and Clayart, Hank in Eugene
Lee Love on wed 15 oct 03
If you go here:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/2003/10/15/
You can see one of my teacher's "Signature" pieces. It is a little bit
blue. ;^)
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Gene and Dolita Dohrman on wed 15 oct 03
> aqua, sea green, blue/green to teal is my favorite color of all time.
> if you stand on the beach in dubai, with carol, and gaze at the
> sea...well, that is the color.
Mel, I know the exact color you are talking about. After living in the
Kwajalein Atoll (it is the largest in the world) for 11 years, I gazed every
day at that color, never tired of it. It appears over the shallow areas of
the coral reef, where the water becomes deeper it changes to an amazing
blue. Often, there was definite line between the two colors. Do you have a
^6 recipe in that aqua you would be willing to share? I used a commercial
Laguna glaze for years (had no choice) called Robin's Egg Blue that was
close but, of course, just not the same. Also, as usual with the commercial
glazes, a little flat.
Dolita
dohrman@insightbb.com
Lee Love on thu 16 oct 03
My favorite blues are chuns and nezumi shino. I like getting blue
from Iron.
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Culling on thu 16 oct 03
.Have the same colour here off the islands -clean water and coral sand!!
The trouble with trying to emulate this colour is that transparency is
totally necessary and not getting crazing is hard!! I use copper and
alkaline glazes but both in my e-ware(C04) and s-ware (c9-10) glazes am
still fighting the craze factor - get rid of the craze and loose the
colour!lol!
Steph
It appears over the shallow areas of
> the coral reef, where the water becomes deeper it changes to an amazing
> blue.
>Also, as usual with the commercial
> glazes, a little flat.
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