vince pitelka on tue 17 sep 02
> Several weaks ago you, and Vince, defended grad school like it was some
sort
> of holy grail that every student of creativity should aspire to and yet
now
> your'e ridiculing that which some of us believe is the very creation of
such
> experiences. Where do you think these artist wannbes learned to speak
> "Artspeak"? Can we spell g-r-a-d s-c-h-o--o-l?
> Real artists/real potters don't come with with ever more creative
> (read:bullshit) ways to descibe their work. They simply create their work.
> Period.
> Its not a "Western" thing its a grad school thing. Teach people how to
> bullshit and they bullshit pretty well. Thank acedamia for that.
Jeff -
It is too bad that your higher education experiences and/or whatever
aspirations you had in that direction were such a miserable disappointment
as to leave you so frustrated and sour towards academia. As I have so often
said, academia is what YOU make of it, and apparently you missed the chance
or else you didn't make much of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
having chosen another course, either before or during college. There are
other appropriate and effective ways to go where you want to go in art. So
why in the world would you want to try and spoil other people's experience
with your incredibly negative and tiresome rhetoric?
I am not going to waste much of my time trying to change your mind, and
fortunately I am comfortably secure in the knowledge that almost all Clayart
readers will dismiss your irrational rantings without a second thought.
You seem determined to blame graduate school for whatever you see as
negative in the art world. It really is a shame for you, and for anyone
suckered into taking you seriously.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
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Jeff Longtin on tue 17 sep 02
Sorry Janet but have to jump in on this one.
Several weaks ago you, and Vince, defended grad school like it was some sort
of holy grail that every student of creativity should aspire to and yet now
your'e ridiculing that which some of us believe is the very creation of such
experiences.
Where do you think these artist wannbes learned to speak "Artspeak"? Can we
spell g-r-a-d s-c-h-o--o-l?
Real artists/real potters don't come with with ever more creative
(read:bullshit) ways to descibe their work. They simply create their work.
Period.
Its not a "Western" thing its a grad school thing. Teach people how to
bullshit and they bullshit pretty well. Thank acedamia for that!
Jeff Longtin
Support real artists support real art!
Pat Southwood on thu 19 sep 02
Dear Jeff,
I think maybe the answer is go to the grad school knowing that they will be
talking the art balls
and take from it what you want/need.
Best Wishes.
Pat.
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Longtin"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: one more thought / artspeak / art bs
> Sorry Janet but have to jump in on this one.
> Several weaks ago you, and Vince, defended grad school like it was some
sort
> of holy grail that every student of creativity should aspire to and yet
now
> your'e ridiculing that which some of us believe is the very creation of
such
> experiences.
> Where do you think these artist wannbes learned to speak "Artspeak"? Can
we
> spell g-r-a-d s-c-h-o--o-l?
>
> Real artists/real potters don't come with with ever more creative
> (read:bullshit) ways to descibe their work. They simply create their work.
> Period.
>
> Its not a "Western" thing its a grad school thing. Teach people how to
> bullshit and they bullshit pretty well. Thank acedamia for that!
>
> Jeff Longtin
>
> Support real artists support real art!
>
>
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Janet Kaiser on thu 19 sep 02
That was not me Jeff! As far as I recall, I kept well out of the line of
fire on that one... Unusual for me and my big mouth where both my feet
usually end up! I support further education and personal development, but I
am not blind to the short-comings of "the system" as it has developed in
recent years. I am a staunch anti-Art Balls activist and always have been!
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
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>Sorry Janet but have to jump in on this one.
>Several weaks ago you, and Vince, defended grad school like it was some
>sort of holy grail that every student of creativity should aspire to and
yet now
>your'e ridiculing that which some of us believe is the very creation of
>such experiences.
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