Craig Clark on mon 23 sep 02
Getting this thread back in the direction of a more specific clay
related topic: In the catagory of ART, what type of image is pornographic?
Is there such a thing? What type of criteria would be used to make such a
determination? Who, or what, would make such a determination?
I made a series of "bottom pots" a number of years ago and may return to
doing so again soon. They were essentially vessels, the primary structure of
which, consisted of modeled and life cast rear ends. They were a hoot. Not
just in the making but also in reactions evoked.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
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> Since when is the human body pornography??
> Andi in San Diego
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> > Art is
> >no excuse for pornography.
> >Marilynn
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> Andi Bauer
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Philip Poburka on mon 23 sep 02
Dear Craig, et all...
I too have wondered as to just what the criteria may be, or
if any 'criteria' need be made anyway.
Seems to me there are things as which, to behold, may have
to them, or for me, a pleasant or happy way about them.
Other things as maybe are not so happy or pleasant to
behold.
In themselves, that does not mean there should, or may, not
be some edifacation in the apprehension of them.
Maybe there is ( for me) and then again...maybe not.
I think the designation 'pornografic' is impertenent and
ultimatey useless...at best, maybe a presumption as begs the
point, if in deed there is even a point 'about' the
austensible subject to beg.
It is not as if it were a designation made 'to' the 'Boiling
Point' or 'Freezing Point' of Water...or of distilled Water
at a certain barometric pressure, as others may be pleased
to repeat and 'prove' for themselves having such agreements
and factors as may be repeated with accuracy and
satisfaction.
And too, as is often so with me...I am not sure I quite know
just 'what' the 'subject' (really) is.
The sense or aesthetic we may have to us, in us, as us, or
for which we may have some use...through which to apprehend
some image or some form or representation...may be more
interesting and germain than the 'that' we may happen to
apprehend.
Supressions as in which one may have invested of their
'faith', disguised as they may tend to be in whatever
pretexts or justifications or ordained or purported to be
ordained by whatever austensible deities, potentates or
other 'authority', and charged as they tend to overmuch be,
with pent-up and misdirected emotion, in practice, become a
distraction and a red herring, so far as they become the
(covert) 'subject' and the subject does not really get to
be...the 'thing' apprehended...the 'thing' in question...the
'image', the 'Artwork', the whatever...but rather the
political or other internal mediacies as one may have
allowed to be installed in them, as 'tell'
what-is-what-is-not 'okay' to the relation WITH that
mediacy.
It may be difficult to espye, how reactions may relate 'to'
the (actual) 'what' as is seen...the structure of the
'values' (or implicitly, the ''what' those 'values' serve,)
as mediate the apprehension.
Many people actualize what is defferential to the
'permissions' they had obtained....however 'so'...for their
safety, or protection from the violence or threat of it,
from others...or such as they felt rejected for....they
shall usually reject in turn.
This is the essence of the structure, the 'politics', of
what, to my eye, assume the likeness and name...of
'Protection Rackets'.
And the 'world'...is full of them, passing as manu things
they are decidedly not.
One may 'surf' areas of the 'internet', say, in which are
availed, images as I happen not to find pleasant, romantic,
happy nor defferential to my notions of Spiritual
ascendancy, inspireing expressions of taste, Love, Grace,
fun, good humour...etc...let us say I do not find them
'so'...
I believe some of these should satisfy most people's notion
of the profoundly unambiguous of 'pornographic'.
Having looked into some of these things as may be the
occupation or interests of other people, I have found that I
do not find pleasure or edifcation in their apprehension,
other than that I may understand some little bit what I knew
allready...that there are many things as are not to my taste
or happy interests, and as do not seem to 'go' where I am
interested in going.
And...that there are things as 'do'...do so...
And...I may know the difference.
I find that the people 'world' is a big place...and in it,
are many domains as are 'about' different
things....different arrangements of thnigs...different
'uses' for things...different relations to things...
As a Child, and since, I am pleased to elect 'places' or
involvements or such as I like, and to go around or through,
or pass bye or maybe note but not make 'mine', perhaps not
elect to even get near, of various places or things as I do
not like.
I also ask myself as to the 'why' I like or do not like
something.
I do well to view with suspicion...any 'charged' emotion I
may find conjured or welling in me, in response to some
experience or apprehension.
Allways under it...should I care to trouble myself to
look...is some dishonesty, fear, or 'protection racket' as I
should be happier rid of...as in which I had invested some
'Faith'...to which I had agreed or subscribed, or taken on
however so.
I do not believe there need be any more to it...than that.
Anyway...them's my thoughts on this matter...
Phil
Las Vegas
(Ye said...)
> Getting this thread back in the direction of a more
specific clay
related topic: In the catagory of ART, what type of image is
pornographic?
Is there such a thing? What type of criteria would be used
to make such a
determination? Who, or what, would make such a
determination?
I made a series of "bottom pots" a number of years ago
and may return to
doing so again soon. They were essentially vessels, the
primary structure of
which, consisted of modeled and life cast rear ends. They
were a hoot. Not
just in the making but also in reactions evoked.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andi Bauer"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:38 AM
> Since when is the human body pornography??
> Andi in San Diego
>
> > Art is
> >no excuse for pornography.
> >Marilynn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andi Bauer
> 619-543-3758
>
> email: mailto:acody@ucsd.edu
>
>
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