annsemple on thu 26 sep 02
Mudslinger
I've heard them called egg pots - although that isn't quite as exotic as
amphorae.
Ann -in the south west regions of Vancouver Island off the coast of British
Columbia, Canada, surrounded by evergreens, clean air, two muddy messy
dogs, and two crazy cats..
annsemple@shaw.ca
Fred Cook on thu 26 sep 02
Hi all--
I am used to calling cone shaped pots "pithoi"
Check 'em out.
search google, images, and put in "pithoi"
Fred Cook
Cincinnati, Ohio
raining, raining
pots slow to dry
Jenny Lewis on fri 27 sep 02
Hi Lauren
I have recently been trying to make cone shaped jugs/pitchers/ewers
whatever, but the other way - wide base, narrow top. At first I had
such problems trying to collar in that I tried reversing the process.
Made some flared bowl forms with no base, turned them over, and stuck
them onto slabs, but they were a bit of a mess. Then I got the hang of
it at a weekend course recently, "Improve your throwing skills". Ta
daaa, light bulb goes on just above head - it's like making a large
spout for a teapot. Which sort of helped - but only sort of. I wasn't
sure it would be a very practical shape to use, but several people on
the course said what a good idea - very stable.
I think of them as conical pots. However, for the ones that came out a
bit peculiar - the name changes to comical....
I looked at your website - nice pots, I don't think coMical would be the
right word for you to use!
Jenny Lewis
in London, UK
trying to remember WHY I wanted to make a wide based jug in the first
place.
It seemed like a good idea, once upon a time.
William Lucius on fri 27 sep 02
I forgot to fill out the Subject line. Here it is again. Archaeologists
use the term conoidal to describe such vessels (common in the prehistoric
Plains Woodland Tradition of Eastern Colorado). Still a bit stilted for my
tastes, so why not conoids?
William A. Lucius, Board President
Institute for Archaeological Ceramic Research
845 Hartford Drive
Boulder, CO 80305
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Martin Rice on fri 27 sep 02
Probably because conoids would be a plural noun and conoidal is the
adjective which they're using to, as you say, describe such vessels.
Possible.
Martin
Lagunas de Barú, Costa Rica
www.rice-family.org
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I forgot to fill out the Subject line. Here it is again. Archaeologists
use the term conoidal to describe such vessels (common in the prehistoric
Plains Woodland Tradition of Eastern Colorado). Still a bit stilted for my
tastes, so why not conoids?
William A. Lucius, Board President
Institute for Archaeological Ceramic Research
845 Hartford Drive
Boulder, CO 80305
iacr@msn.com
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Virgil and Susan Leise on sun 29 sep 02
Hi. I want to respond to this topic....I looked it up in a book "The
Container Book" by Thelma R Newman and Jay Hartley Newman.
Here is what I found.
Amphora
From the Greek amphi meaning "both sides" (in this case referring to the
fact that it is two-handled) plus phoreus, "a bearer".
This is a form that was very common in the Mediterranean area throughout
ancient times. It displays a wide variety of proportion and outline.
Normally used for transport and therefore, fairly large, the typical amphora
has two handles set high on the shoulder, the form tapering to a narrow
base. One explanation of the narrow base is that it helped to concentrate
wine dregs. Sometimes the base was actually pointed and was housed in holes
cut through a stand in the hold of a ship. Later, the more decorative Greek
amphoras were frequently filled with oil and given as a prize at the
Panthenaic Festivals. These had a spreading foot on which to stand more
firmly.
The standard Attic amphora held nearly 9 gallons; the Roman, also known as a
"cadus," nearly 7 gallons. That they were also used for solid materials is
proven by the remains of almonds found in the ancient Greek ship recovered
off Kyrenia in Northern Cyprus. There is mention of fish pickle sauce being
carried in amphoras. Each Aegean island and port had its typical amphora
variation and a ship's journey can be traced using the amphoras as evidence.
Althought most amphoras are shown lidless today, it is mentioned that
amphoras "surmounted by a lid in the same material, ending in a point."
Similar forms are found as far apart in place and time as Shang-Yao China
from 5000 to 4000 B.C. and the Rhineland from 800 to 1200 A.D., where it was
used for Rhenish wine exports. In Minoan pottery the shape resembles a
modern cinder jar.
In Cyprus the amphora is thrown in two parts. The top half first. This is
later reversed onto the wheelhead(complete with handles); a pointed base is
thrown onto it with extra clay in the form of a cylinder, this being tapered
and closed over.
The illustrations given here show something of the great variey of the
amphora form.
There you have it!!
Susan
mudslingers@ATT.NET on sun 29 sep 02
hi!
thanks to those who offered suggestions. all good ones, but no real concensus!
so i'm going to mull it over for a bit...
here's the list:
belleros (loved that one!)
egg
amphorae (thanks to those who gave me the correct plural spelling)
cone
amphoral
pithoi
comical conicals (paraphrasing jenny's suggestion!)
conoidal/conoids
tippers
conical
thanks again,
lauren
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Lauren Bellero
Mudslingers Pottery
Red Bank, NJ 07701
http://mudslingers.home.att.net
732.747.4853
Charles Moore on sun 29 sep 02
Lauren,
I vote for "amphoral pots." It sounds so classy.
Charles
Sacramento, or as the locals like to joke (based on our agricultural
economy): Sacratomato
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Subject: Re: cone shaped pots
> hi!
> thanks to those who offered suggestions. all good ones, but no real
concensus!
> so i'm going to mull it over for a bit...
>
> here's the list:
>
> belleros (loved that one!)
> egg
> amphorae (thanks to those who gave me the correct plural spelling)
> cone
> amphoral
> pithoi
> comical conicals (paraphrasing jenny's suggestion!)
> conoidal/conoids
> tippers
> conical
>
> thanks again,
> lauren
>
> --
> Lauren Bellero
> Mudslingers Pottery
> Red Bank, NJ 07701
> http://mudslingers.home.att.net
> 732.747.4853
>
>
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Janet Kaiser on sun 29 sep 02
What on earth is wrong with plain "conical pot"? It could be pointed up or
down and still be conical. Footed cone, conical vessel, cone or conical
jug... All sorts of variations.
Although the noun "conoid" would be grammatically correct, the suffix "oid"
is usually applied to "like" or "similar" or "resembling" as an adjective,
so conoid would imply cone-like to most people and not a cone-shaped pot.
As a dry academic expression, conoid or conoidal would be fine, but to me
they lack in romance and attractiveness as words per se. Sorry to say this
William, because it was a genuine suggestion and being an archaeologist you
use the term with ease, but both words make me think of an unpleasant
medical condition!
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
Valice Raffi on sun 13 oct 02
just had an opening last night at the Hagin Museum in Stockton, Ca and
popped into their antiquities room. They had two cone shaped pots
(Egyptian), both very small.
One was alabaster and called "Alabastron" (c3000-2650). It was maybe 6"
tall held by a band of metal with 3 legs.
The other was called a "Situla - a vessel for ritual libations" (c712-332),
carved pottery, aprox. 4" with two loop handles. It was held by a looped
wire (like a teakettle), held up by a stand.
They were beautiful.
Valice
in Sacramento, trying to teach the new kitten to stay out of the studio.
Have a piece of plywood up, but he can easily make it over, then runs under
the kiln as fast as he can. A friend told me to try flypaper (no poisons)
on the board, so I did. Unfortunately, I hadn't tacked it down when the
kitty made a flying leap for the edge. Kitty & flypaper rolled up in a
ball. (He had his first bath today, but he hasn't tried jumping over
again!)
Cat Yassin on sun 20 oct 02
In a message dated 10/14/2002 12:39:37 AM Central Standard Time,
valice1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
> just had an opening last night at the Hagin Museum in Stockton, Ca and
> popped into their antiquities room. They had two cone shaped pots
> (Egyptian), both very small.
>
When I traveled to Egypt and other parts of the Middle East I always took
pictures when I went into the Museums. I have compiled different photo albums
specifically with pottery and sculptures that I use as references. This is
off topic, but the above comment reminded me of the lovely pieces of history
I got to see in person and not just in my Art History books.
-Cat
S. Texas
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