Bill Edwards on sat 12 oct 02
Your post was of service I believe and as valuable as
any of the self absorbed issues on being drunk,
advocating being drunk or wanting to get drunk. Maybe
a return to clay/art will be a sobbering experience
soon?
Jennifer F Boyer
Subject: Re: Creativity and Intoxicants or: Rush is in
Good Company
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iandol on sun 13 oct 02
Thinking about the obverse side of this discussion.
Though I cannot quote the source, it seems to be popularly believed that =
a good bender on a fifth of whisky or its equivalent in wine or beer =
will destroy about five million or more brain cells in the course of an =
evening.
Following this argument to a logical absurd conclusion, to be creative =
at genius level, does an artist need to be brain dead and permanently =
inebriated?
Best regards,
Ivor=20
Dannon Rhudy on mon 14 oct 02
Ivor said:
.....Thinking about the obverse side of this discussion.
Though I cannot quote the source, ...a good bender on a fifth of whisky
.....
will destroy about five million or more brain cells in the course of an
evening.
......, does an artist need to be brain dead and permanently
inebriated?.........>
I think not. Most of the artists I have known and do know are people
who work hard at their jobs, and are for the most part sober, sensible,
and very involved in their work. They don't have time to be "under the
influence" of any drug and/or alcohol. They have deadlines to meet and
family to support and work that they REALLY WANT to do. Alcohol
and drugs steal too much time, seems to be the general observation.
Doesn't mean that none ever have a drink - just that they want to be able
to go into the studio and make stuff. Can't do it with benumbed (or
trembling) fingers and/or fogged mind. So mostly they are at least as
moderate
in their habits as the general population. Sometimes even more so. As
a group, most seem to have one really strong habit: studio time. They'll
beg, borrow, or steal it, whatever gets them there.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Philip Poburka on mon 14 oct 02
Reminding me of the old ditty...
"Some they do and some they don't, and some you just can't
tell.
Some they will and some they won't, and some...it's just as
well..."
Phil
el of vee
----- Original Message -----
From: "iandol"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Creativity and Intoxicants
Thinking about the obverse side of this discussion.
Though I cannot quote the source, it seems to be popularly
believed that a good bender on a fifth of whisky or its
equivalent in wine or beer will destroy about five million
or more brain cells in the course of an evening.
Following this argument to a logical absurd conclusion, to
be creative at genius level, does an artist need to be brain
dead and permanently inebriated?
Best regards,
Ivor
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Cheryl Hoffman on mon 14 oct 02
In a message dated 10/14/02 2:06:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
> Following this argument to a logical absurd conclusion, to
> be creative at genius level, does an artist need to be brain
> dead and permanently inebriated?
> Best regards,
> Ivor
> ----------------------
To quote George Carlin: "Sometimes a little brain damage helps."
Cher Hoffman
Janet Kaiser on tue 15 oct 02
There is only two other professionals who can afford the DTs or even slight
post-prandial tremours LESS than artists... Practicing surgeons and
dentists! But at least the latter also have to refrain from eating garlic
or ripe cheese 6 days out of 7. Just another reason why being an artist is
preferable to all other jobs!
Just for the record... IMO intoxicants have different affects on different
people depending on their temperaments, physical and mental disposition and
the levels of intoxication. Some will giggle, roll over and play ....hum...
whatever ... and others will want to jump up and fight. Sooner or later,
most end up depressed. The timing depends on intoxication level as well as
the individual.
I talk a lot, become extremely honest and my eyes cross when inebriated. No
way can I read, write, create when I thought laddish behaviour was
required, but found it was such arrant nonsense when sober, I no longer
attempt "meaningful creativity" after anything more intoxicating than a
portion of sherry trifle.
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser
The Chapel of Art =95 Capel Celfyddyd
8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: 01766-523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
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