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fw: re: creativity and intoxicants or: rush is in good company

updated sun 13 oct 02


Elca Branman on fri 11 oct 02

Elca Branman,in Sarasota Florida

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:08:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Creativity and Intoxicants or: Rush is in Good Company

I really have difficulty with the assumption that because there are two
factors in common( intoxication and creativity), somehow they are

Wouldn't we also have to list other attributes..most on the list are
males..does that mean that women drink less or create less?

Wouldn't we have to find out if the proportion of drunks in relation to
all people is in the same proportion as drunks to creative people?

Sensitivity or creativity is not a necessity nor a clue as to substance
abuse. Substance abuse is not a clue as to sensitiivity or talent.. Red
hair, left handedness..the list could go on and takes more than a
small sample to make a real istic assumption.

Lots of plain folks out there in trouble also, maybe even in the same
ratio as those famous names mentioned.

Also, your list doesn't include minor or less well known creative people,
substance abusing or not..
Its like those "bugga bugga" things that race around the
imnternet,,about Lincoln and Kennedy having the same number of letters in
their name and blah blah blah...not good science, and not a good excuse.

Elca,(a non substance abuser except for chocolate)
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:51:09 -0600 Martin Rice
> Stephani Stephenson wrote:
> "Martin, would you say the above 'underground man' you refer to is
> necessarily dependant on or requires intoxicated states for these
> breakthroughs for that type of creative action??
> Are you saying the two are connected, and if so , how??"
> I don't have the faintest idea concerning in what way intoxicated
> states and
> creative action are connected or even if they are. What I do know is
> that in
> the history of art they often go together. Here's a really short
> list in no
> particular order. I've included no musicians for obvious reasons.
> Also, no
> clay people because I've yet to read my first history or biography
> of
> ceramic artists. It's a subject completely new to me. OK, here we
> go:
> Kerouac
> DeKooning
> Jane Bowles
> Dylan Thomas
> Coleridge
> Walt Disney
> Toulouse-Lautrec
> Jackson Pollack
> Picasso
> Huichol Indians Yarn Paintings (peyote)
> Van Gogh
> Lenny Bruce
> Alan Gnsberg
> Poe
> Becket
> Hemingway
> Joyce
> Raymond Carver
> Adela Rogers St. John
> Jean Stafford
> Truman Capote
> Stephen Crane
> Theodore Roethke
> Herman Melville
> Delmore Schwartz
> Scott Fitzgerald
> William Faulkner
> Jack London
> Eugene O'Neill
> John Steinbeck
> Malcolm Lowry
> Hart Crane
> Brendan Behan
> Everyone on this list could most likely add at least 5 more, I'm
> sure.
> Disclaimers:
> 1. As said, I know nothing about how intoxicated states and
> creativity are
> connected, if they are.
> 2. I am not supporting the position that the only great artists and
> thinkers
> are addicts.
> 3. I am saying that throughout the history of art -- in all media --
> there
> has been and continues to be a great deal of addiction, for whatever
> reason.
> Regards,
> Martin
> Lagunas de Baru, Costa Rica
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Elca Branman,in Sarasota Florida

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