Potter Wagoner on sun 13 oct 02
>>Hmmm ... is Lawrence S. Kubie a psychiatrist??
No, he is a M.D.
>>I always rail at such approaches.
How can you make a judgment without knowing what the book is about?
>>The craziest people I have ever met were psychiatrists.
That is quite a generalization. Do you know a lot of psychiatrists? I
grew up around a whole bunch of psychologists as my father was head of
the Psych Dept. at DePauw for 29 years. They were not such an evil lot.
Really they were pretty neat and nice people filled with compassion and
a desire to help people. They played golf, built wooden sailboats,
played classical guitar, painted and loved music and visual art in
general. I feel that many of them were wonderful to me as a young man. I
was encouraged by two of them in particular to pursue my desire to be a
potter.
>>Unable to allow a modicum of their own creativity loose
>>they attack creative people.
His theories do not attack creative people at all.
>>The irony being Psychiatry defined as an Art not a Science.
>>Don't think so.
>>Give me a crazy artist any day over a "sane" psychiatrist.
Well, actually Kubie would agree with that in a way.
>>I would not give credence to such a theory...
>>hell..... I wouldn't even read such depressing drivel!
It is not really that depressing. It is really very interesting and I am
enjoying it a lot. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression about it.
>>Your time would be better spent creating something
>>beautiful in your studio!
I spent most of the day making pots and demonstrating wheel throwing for
people.
The book is just interesting reading and thoughtful observations on the
relationship of neurotic distortion to the creative process.
But you are right, given the choice between reading about things and
making pots I'll take the pots and beauty any day.
Potter Wagoner
"Pooped out from making pots all day in the brisk wind of fall in
Indiana."
claybair on mon 14 oct 02
Potter,
No, I did not grow up amongst psychiatrists. Yes, I have known a number of
psychiatrists.. and I stand by my opinion. It is my opinion from my
experience.
Obviously you had a positive experience.
Sorry if I offended you that was not my intention.
Why do they pick on artists so frequently???? We must be easy targets
without risk of reprisal?
I would much prefer to hear about interesting reading and thoughtful
observations on the relationship of neurotic distortions to the business,
political, government & crime worlds. Now that I could sink my teeth
into!!!!
I need some understanding as to why our "leaders" are careening our
countries into brick walls?
How about a study on politicians... a real current one! I'd bet it would be
a best seller! Of course the author might not be able to find an agent or
publisher, might become a pariah & have to leave the country..........
Don't take this as an attack on you ........I am not sitting here
raving....... just calmly wondering and about to go into the studio and make
something beautiful.
Gayle Bair - an artist not in need of dissection
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
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Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:34 PM
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Subject: C+D Psych bashing? (Kubie Book)
>>Hmmm ... is Lawrence S. Kubie a psychiatrist??
No, he is a M.D.
>>I always rail at such approaches.
How can you make a judgment without knowing what the book is about?
>>The craziest people I have ever met were psychiatrists.
That is quite a generalization. Do you know a lot of psychiatrists? I
grew up around a whole bunch of psychologists as my father was head of
the Psych Dept. at DePauw for 29 years. They were not such an evil lot.
Really they were pretty neat and nice people filled with compassion and
a desire to help people. They played golf, built wooden sailboats,
played classical guitar, painted and loved music and visual art in
general. I feel that many of them were wonderful to me as a young man. I
was encouraged by two of them in particular to pursue my desire to be a
potter.
>>Unable to allow a modicum of their own creativity loose
>>they attack creative people.
His theories do not attack creative people at all.
>>The irony being Psychiatry defined as an Art not a Science.
>>Don't think so.
>>Give me a crazy artist any day over a "sane" psychiatrist.
Well, actually Kubie would agree with that in a way.
>>I would not give credence to such a theory...
>>hell..... I wouldn't even read such depressing drivel!
It is not really that depressing. It is really very interesting and I am
enjoying it a lot. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression about it.
>>Your time would be better spent creating something
>>beautiful in your studio!
I spent most of the day making pots and demonstrating wheel throwing for
people.
The book is just interesting reading and thoughtful observations on the
relationship of neurotic distortion to the creative process.
But you are right, given the choice between reading about things and
making pots I'll take the pots and beauty any day.
Potter Wagoner
"Pooped out from making pots all day in the brisk wind of fall in
Indiana."
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