Lisa on mon 14 oct 02
Hi all,
I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've never
really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! I use a
Brent wheel during classes and don't have any problems at all. It seems
that when I bear down on a piece the wheel slows down. I've been throwing
small pieces 5-10 pounds on this wheel and am getting very frustrated. The
wheel is level. Does anyone have any ideas? I know close to zero about
wheels.
Lisa
Dave Gayman on tue 15 oct 02
As this is a 1/2 horsepower wheel with a 5-year guarantee, you'll want to
take this up with Creative Industries.
Translation: something's wrong with the wheel: motor, v-belt, speed
control, pedal... if only the wheelhead is slowing (and the motor itself
is not slowing down), the belt may be the problem.
Dave
At 09:40 PM 10/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've never
>really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
>opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! [snip] the
>wheel slows down.
Lisa on tue 15 oct 02
Lisa-Marie,
You don't know how much better it made me feel to hear that someone else
didn't think this was the best wheel ever! Actually, I know no one else
with one.
I've sent an email to CI, gotten a brief response back saying that someone
will contact me. I'll keep you all posted if I get something from them
that helps my problem.
Thanks,
Lisa
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:20:39 -0400, Lisa-Marie Serafin
wrote:
>Hi Lisa,
>I have the same wheel and was disappointed when I first started using it
>too. Couldn't centre, wheel wobbled and jiggled all over the damn place,
>the pedal is way too sensitive and I've been meaning to write to Clayart
>about this for a few days now. I was so very used to working on a Brent
too
>and because of my recent move from Manitoba to Quebec and the good price I
>got on the CI wheel ($650) I jumped at it.
>Anyway, I found that with practise I can now centre on the wheel. What I
>did was adjust the legs so they were at their lowest point, making the
wheel
>more stable. I built myself a chair to match the wheel, rather than
raising
>the legs of the wheel to match the chair.
>The wobbling still occurs when my clay goes off centre, but every passing
>day I see improvements in my ability to keep the clay centred. This wheel
>is a real challenge to throw on. When I was working on the Brent, it was
so
>very easy.
>I'd heard that one can adjust the sensitivity of the foot pedal by
adjusting
>the screw underneath. I don't have a screw on the bottom of my foot pedal
>but there is a hole. I called CI, but did not hear back. Anyone out there
>who can shed a little light on this? Much appreciated.
>Lisa-Marie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lisa"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:40 PM
>Subject: Problems with CI wheel
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've
>never
>> really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
>> opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! I use a
>> Brent wheel during classes and don't have any problems at all. It seems
>> that when I bear down on a piece the wheel slows down. I've been
throwing
>> small pieces 5-10 pounds on this wheel and am getting very frustrated.
>The
>> wheel is level. Does anyone have any ideas? I know close to zero about
>> wheels.
>> Lisa
>>
>>
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Betty Fountain on tue 15 oct 02
I have a CI wheel, and it never slows down... never! You obviously have a
problem with the mechanics of your wheel. Call Creative Industries in Calif.
They are really good about working with you over the phone... even to the
point of talking you through disconnecting the computer board on your wheel
to send to them for repair or replacement. Their phone # is: (619) 449-1834
or (800) 748-5530.
--- Betty
Leland G. Hall on tue 15 oct 02
I also have a Creative Industries wheel. The "Clay Boss", their entry
level wheel. Hoped I would out grow it and indeed I did. Same problem.
It would slow down when trying to center anything over a couple of pounds
of clay. I always figured it was just underpowered, though it may have
something to do with the electronics being substandard. I just bought
Axners new model 900. Plenty of power now.
Leland, in La Pine, Oregon, Singe digit nights, warm sunny days. The
wolves are growing their new
fur.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:40:26 -0400, Lisa wrote:
>Hi all,
>I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've never
>really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
>opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! I use a
>Brent wheel during classes and don't have any problems at all. It seems
>that when I bear down on a piece the wheel slows down. I've been throwing
>small pieces 5-10 pounds on this wheel and am getting very frustrated. The
>wheel is level. Does anyone have any ideas? I know close to zero about
>wheels.
>Lisa
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
___
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>
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>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
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melpots@pclink.com.
Kenneth J. Nowicki on tue 15 oct 02
Lisa,
Have you tried contacting Creative Industries yet with your problem? That
would be my first suggestion. I also have a Creative Industries wheel,
although it is much older than yours (circa 1986 - Model MP) and have never
experienced any problems with it thus far, however, I upgraded to the more
powerful motor years ago (and also added the reversing switch at the time).
My experiences with the newer owner, Kenton Oakes (who bought the company
from the original owner years ago) has always been positive. Try contacting
him at ---> koakes@creative-ind.com or...
you can try ---> potwheel@creative-ind.com
It could also be depend on how stiff or hard your clay is that you're trying
to center. I know if I've got a bag of clay I've let get too stiff, and am
too lazy reconstitute it softer, my wheel will bog down under heavy pressure
while centering. Just a thought. 5 - 10 pounds shouldn't be a problem if your
clay is nice and soft... IMHO anyway.
I would drop an email to Kenton first... and go from there.
Best of luck,
Ken
Kenneth J. Nowicki
Port Washington, NY
RakuArtist@aol.com
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> I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've never
> really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
> opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! I use a
> Brent wheel during classes and don't have any problems at all. It seems
> that when I bear down on a piece the wheel slows down. I've been throwing
> small pieces 5-10 pounds on this wheel and am getting very frustrated. The
> wheel is level. Does anyone have any ideas? I know close to zero about
> wheels.
> Lisa
Lisa-Marie Serafin on tue 15 oct 02
Hi Lisa,
I have the same wheel and was disappointed when I first started using it
too. Couldn't centre, wheel wobbled and jiggled all over the damn place,
the pedal is way too sensitive and I've been meaning to write to Clayart
about this for a few days now. I was so very used to working on a Brent too
and because of my recent move from Manitoba to Quebec and the good price I
got on the CI wheel ($650) I jumped at it.
Anyway, I found that with practise I can now centre on the wheel. What I
did was adjust the legs so they were at their lowest point, making the wheel
more stable. I built myself a chair to match the wheel, rather than raising
the legs of the wheel to match the chair.
The wobbling still occurs when my clay goes off centre, but every passing
day I see improvements in my ability to keep the clay centred. This wheel
is a real challenge to throw on. When I was working on the Brent, it was so
very easy.
I'd heard that one can adjust the sensitivity of the foot pedal by adjusting
the screw underneath. I don't have a screw on the bottom of my foot pedal
but there is a hole. I called CI, but did not hear back. Anyone out there
who can shed a little light on this? Much appreciated.
Lisa-Marie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Problems with CI wheel
> Hi all,
> I have a CI model MP wheel that I bought new about 4 years ago. I've
never
> really used it due to space considerations. I've finally gotten the
> opportunity to use it, and I can't center or open an even pot! I use a
> Brent wheel during classes and don't have any problems at all. It seems
> that when I bear down on a piece the wheel slows down. I've been throwing
> small pieces 5-10 pounds on this wheel and am getting very frustrated.
The
> wheel is level. Does anyone have any ideas? I know close to zero about
> wheels.
> Lisa
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
__
> Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
> You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
> settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
> Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
melpots@pclink.com.
annsemple on tue 15 oct 02
Betty
sounds like you need to get in touch with CI too.
That must make things a little difficult after you center! (just kidding)
>>I have a CI wheel, and it never slows down... never<<
Ann -in the south west regions of Vancouver Island off the coast of British
Columbia, Canada, surrounded by evergreens, clean air, two muddy messy
dogs and two demented cats.
annsemple@shaw.ca
vince pitelka on wed 16 oct 02
> I also have a Creative Industries wheel. The "Clay Boss", their entry
> level wheel. Hoped I would out grow it and indeed I did. Same problem.
> It would slow down when trying to center anything over a couple of pounds
> of clay. I always figured it was just underpowered, though it may have
> something to do with the electronics being substandard. I just bought
> Axners new model 900. Plenty of power now.
I am not affiliated with CI in any way, but I did want to put in a good word
for these wheels. I think there might have been some problems with the
Clayboss when it first came out, but several years ago we bought a bunch of
Clayboss and Bigboss wheels, and they have functioned perfectly in a
high-use academic setting for two years. There are certainly other
more-expensive wheels that I like better, but we were looking for the most
wheels for the money in order to replace old troublesome equipment, and the
CI wheels have certainly given us good performance. The Clayboss and
Bigboss are a great deal for anyone wanting an inexpensive entry-level
wheel.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://www.craftcenter.tntech.edu/
Sandy Cryer on wed 16 oct 02
Hi Lisa,
I bought a CI wheel years ago (love it). When I put pressure on the clay the
speed increased. Called the Co. I bought it from and left a message. Being
interested in mechanical stuff I couldn't wait for the return call, so I
flipped it over and was checking it out when the return call came....there is
a "regulator" of some sort, it was like a screw as I recall, that just needs
to be adjusted....very simple. Probably in your instructions if you still
have them, call CI they can propably fix it over the phone. Good Luck, Sandy
Catherine White on wed 16 oct 02
Lisa,
I have the CI, JR model. I love it. I'm rather rough on it using too
firm clay and then bearing down with all my strength. I've had no slowing
whatsoever. I use the 'coasting' control at extremely low speed to do
decorating and it never shimmies or hesitates. Obviously, I haven't had to
contact them. Hopefully, they'll get back to you very soon. Isn't the
warranty for five years? Since you're probably going to have to live with
this wheel unless you're richer than most of us, please know that there are
some very happy CI owners.
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Problems with CI wheel
> Lisa-Marie,
> You don't know how much better it made me feel to hear that someone else
> didn't think this was the best wheel ever! Actually, I know no one else
> with one.
> I've sent an email to CI, gotten a brief response back saying that someone
> will contact me. I'll keep you all posted if I get something from them
> that helps my problem.
>
> Thanks,
> Lisa
Lisa on thu 17 oct 02
Sandy,
Where was the screw? In the box with the on/off switch?
Lisa-Marie Serafin on thu 17 oct 02
I just got a call back from CI and found they were somewhat helpful. I was
told how to adjust my foot pedal and tighten the belt on the motor, but the
gentleman to whom I spoke talked very fast and became impatient with me when
I asked him to repeat things. I asked him another question about the
wobbliness of the wheel and he said it could be the wheel bearings, but
offered nothing else on the subject, abruptly told me he had to "let me go"
and so I thanked him and hung up.
He mentioned that CI usually gets people to pull their motors out of their
wheels and send them back to CI for testing, but since I'm in another
country, it wasn't possible.
I will try the adjustments he suggested and let you know how it all turned
out.
Lisa-Marie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Cryer"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Problems with CI wheel
> Hi Lisa,
> I bought a CI wheel years ago (love it). When I put pressure on the clay
the
> speed increased. Called the Co. I bought it from and left a message.
Being
> interested in mechanical stuff I couldn't wait for the return call, so I
> flipped it over and was checking it out when the return call came....there
is
> a "regulator" of some sort, it was like a screw as I recall, that just
needs
> to be adjusted....very simple. Probably in your instructions if you still
> have them, call CI they can propably fix it over the phone. Good Luck,
Sandy
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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Lisa on fri 18 oct 02
Hi all,
Just got done talking to Danny at CI. I'm including the instructions he
gave me for your viewing pleasure. I'll try them sometime over the weekend
and let you know how it all turned out. I typed these in while he was
talking, so they may be a little terse.
remove 4 screws from control panel
pull down as far as wires allow
4 small trim pop - look like baby car tires on side
printed on board besides each is min, max, IR, CL (blue glue can't touch it)
tiny screwdriver...adjust max counter clockwise, just a hair
- too much voltage - only do this once. somewhat optional.
On IR adjust clockwise a smidge (feedback switch) full range of adjustment
is only 3/4 of a turn.
Test using a hand on the wheel, and apply pressure.
if wheelhead slows down, then need add IR - go clockwise
if speeds up, turn IR down counter clockwise.
to remove system, (if the above doesn't work)
pull panel down, see two wires slide on/off conntectors by power lights
red and yellow wire from belt guard.
at that point control board will come completely off
remove belt cover, remove belt, don't touch wheel head pulley. Unbolt
motor from plastic motor plate,
have control cover w/board, cord with motor on the end, cord with
footpedal, and the wall plug.
Whole thing except capacitor and all plastic.
Send with my name, addr, phone, to
addr on bottom of wheel.
danny@creative-ind.com
8 - 4:30 PAC time.
800 748 5530
Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!!
Lisa on fri 18 oct 02
One more thing...email doesn't work too good with CI. The gentleman I
talked to said that the mail goes to the secretary, who then forwards it to
him. Which means he can't reply. Always include your phone #.
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