Eric Suchman on tue 5 nov 02
I'm not sure about poisoning but I think I would opt for buying bottled
water, or a reverse osmosis filter. How does this water affect your
glazing?
Eric in Oceanside
"Clay is the Way"
> From: "L. P. Skeen"
> Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:54:32 -0500
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Iron Poisoning?
>
> Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
>
> In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you leave
> a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate out of it,
> leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all look like I
> poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
>
> For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than
> throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron from
> the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not go away
> until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln is not running,
> and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY good job.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> L
>
>
>
> L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
> the Viscountess Standing Turtle
> Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
> "If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables,
> what is baby oil made from?"
>
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L. P. Skeen on tue 5 nov 02
Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you =
leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate =
out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all =
look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than =
throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron =
from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not =
go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln =
is not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY =
good job.
Any ideas?
L
L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
the Viscountess Standing Turtle
Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
"If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from =
vegetables,=20
what is baby oil made from?"
Gavin Stairs on tue 5 nov 02
Hi Lisa,
The smell is probably not the iron, but sulphur. Hi sulphur water will
precipitate out iron and other sulfates. Sulfates are mostly
insoluble. The red color is from the iron and possibly other stuff
As to the poisoning, I have heard of people getting ill from too much iron,
but I've never heard that the sulfate version is a problem. I would expect
that most of it would go right through you like a barium cocktail. The
worst I would expect is a bad smell (!). That sort of smell is quite
expensive at some mineral water spas.
On the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to do your glazes any good. Maybe
you should collect rain water, or invest in a sulphur - iron treatment tank.
Gavin
At 08:54 AM 05/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
>
>In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you =
>leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate =
>out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all =
>look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
>
>For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than =
>throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron =
>from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not =
>go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln =
>is not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY =
>good job.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>L
>
>
>
>L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
>the Viscountess Standing Turtle
>Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
>"If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from =
>vegetables,=20
>what is baby oil made from?"
>
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claybair on tue 5 nov 02
Sheesh... Lisa.... Be careful around magnets!->
Kidding aside I hope you get some expert advice.
I have a lot of manganese in my water... turned my new fixtures a pinky
brown... lovely!
A few weeks ago someone asked me what was in the slip I use on my tumblers &
was asked about Burnt Umber so I looked it up..... seems there is RIO and
BIO and manganese dioxide. Great.... I didn't know that.... & have had my
face up in that stuff when decorating!!!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceramic Arts Discussion List [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On
Behalf Of L. P. Skeen
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:55 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Iron Poisoning?
Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you
leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate out
of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all look
like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than
throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron
from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not go
away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln is not
running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY good job.
Any ideas?
L
L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
the Viscountess Standing Turtle
Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
"If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables,
what is baby oil made from?"
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Lily Krakowski on tue 5 nov 02
As far as I know every state has a poison control center that is eager to
help. Potters should have the number posted and call when in doubt. I do
know that children can be poisoned by too much iron; no idea about adults.
Will try to find out from nutritionist friend.
L. P. Skeen writes:
> Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
>
> In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
>
> For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln is not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY good job.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> L
>
>
>
> L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
> the Viscountess Standing Turtle
> Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
> "If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables,
> what is baby oil made from?"
>
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Lili Krakowski
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Constableville, N.Y.
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Be of good courage....
Cheryl Hoffman on tue 5 nov 02
In a message dated 11/5/02 10:24:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lpskeen@LIVING-TREE.NET writes:
> Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
>
Hey Lisa,
I'm not a doctor or rocket scientist, but I don't think you can poison
yourself with the water. I have well water that is so heavy with iron that
my porcelain pots turn dark orange as they dry. It fires out in the bisque.
When I was a midwife, we would tell anemic prego's to cook in an iron
skillet to boost the iron in their blood, since anemia (iron-poor blood) is a
common problem during pregnancy. The old iron skillet always seemed to work
for them. Just my opinion, based on empirical knowledge and old wives tales.
Cher Gauvin, formerly known as Hoffman. Hubby traded me in for a younger
model with nice nails last week. Could use some support if any girlfriends
out there want to contact me off list.
Carl Finch on tue 5 nov 02
At 08:54 AM 11/5/02 -0500, L. P. Skeen wrote:
>Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
>
>In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you
>leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate
>out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all
>look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
>
>For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than
>throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron
>from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not
>go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln is
>not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY good job.
>Any ideas?
Iron (in its several forms found in well water) by itself does have a
distinct taste and odor (quite different from the rotten egg smell of
"sulphur"--hydrogen sulfide).
I recently bought a house in Oregon where the well was given a required
"Top 20 Analysis," testing for 20 metals and compounds, one of which was
iron. These tests are EPA standards, and some of them set no limit on
content (e.g., lithium, magnesium), but the limit (EPA 200.7) on iron *is*
set--it's 0.3 milligrams per liter. Mine tested at 2.30 mg/L, high by
almost a factor of eight! Exactly what that means healthwise, I'm not yet
sure.
I neither taste nor smell this amount of iron, but the inside of my
dishwasher, after 3 months, is becoming stained reddish brown. I would
guess that *your* water has a great deal more iron in it, Lisa!
As to health, I do recall reading several years ago (can't cite it) that
excessive iron in the water can cause coronary problems. At that time I
was living in a house with a well that had even more iron than this one and
I installed an oxidizing iron filter, but was drinking the UNfiltered water
(it tasted sooo goood). So I re-plumbed so that the kitchen sink got
filtered (but not softened) water for drinking.
Certainly any water testing company could advise you.
--Carl
Harrington on tue 5 nov 02
Hey! I don't know about iron poisoning, but I do know that too much iron
can make you constipated! My doctor once prescribed it in conjunction
with a medication that was known for the opposite effect. Also, I do
seem to remember hearing that you shouldn't take an iron supplement
unless you are low on iron in your blood, which may be an indication
that too much is not a great idea (especially for men, for some reason).
My grandparents used to have the smelly, iron rich water you describe.
If yours is as gross as theirs, I assume you don't drink it, so does
anyone know if there is harm in INHALING iron?
Lisa
Ann Geiger on tue 5 nov 02
Hi Lisa, I know it is not good to have too much iron floating around in
your system. I had a friend who had to receive 3 units of packed red
blood cells every three weeks for about five years. She got too much
iron in her system and it was of some concern because it affected her
heart. She had to be sure to limit her intake of iron from all other
sources. However three units of packed red cells have an awful lot of
iron so maybe you don't have to be too concerned, but perhaps a visit to
the local vampire for a blood test at some point wouldn't hurt.
Do you think the amount of iron in your water is affecting your glazes?
Annie Geiger in Fly Creek New York where we are getting a bit of snow
now and then.
L. P. Skeen on tue 5 nov 02
Ok, let me be clearer! I am NOT drinking this water. I do not like to
drink water that I can't see through . I'm just trying to figure out if
the smell from the water getting in my sinuses or whatever can make me sick,
because I canNOT get rid of this nasty taste in my mouth that only happens
when I'm at the studio and near the sink. :(
Can I send water to poison control for testing?
Thanks everybody!
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavin Stairs"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Iron Poisoning?
> Hi Lisa,
>
> The smell is probably not the iron, but sulphur. Hi sulphur water will
> precipitate out iron and other sulfates. Sulfates are mostly
> insoluble. The red color is from the iron and possibly other stuff
>
> As to the poisoning, I have heard of people getting ill from too much
iron,
> but I've never heard that the sulfate version is a problem. I would
expect
> that most of it would go right through you like a barium cocktail. The
> worst I would expect is a bad smell (!). That sort of smell is quite
> expensive at some mineral water spas.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to do your glazes any good. Maybe
> you should collect rain water, or invest in a sulphur - iron treatment
tank.
>
> Gavin
>
> At 08:54 AM 05/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
> >
> >In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can smell it. If you =
> >leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron will precipitate =
> >out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks and toilets all =
> >look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
> >
> >For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more handbuilding than =
> >throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can smell the iron
=
> >from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my mouth that does not
=
> >go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building. No, the kiln =
> >is not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that does a REALLY =
> >good job.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >L
> >
> >
> >
> >L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
> >the Viscountess Standing Turtle
> >Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
> >"If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from =
> >vegetables,=20
> >what is baby oil made from?"
> >
>
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___
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>
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Pottery by Dai on tue 5 nov 02
Gavin suggested
>Maybe you should collect rain water, or invest in a >sulphur - iron
treatment tank.
Those iron treatment filtering systems are super-expensive---you could buy a
whole lot of bottled water for making glazes for what you'd pay for the
system. Our last house had one of them, but it was inoperable, due to
needing "re-charging", to the tune of a couple of thousand dollars---just
for the re-charging! I used bottled water for drinking and cooking, but
regular water for glazes. But, on the other hand, I didn't have rust
settling out in the bottom of pails, either---just a whiff of rotten eggs
every so often. The water softener did away with a lot of it.
Dai in Armstrong, BC
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Anita Rickenberg on tue 5 nov 02
"Those iron treatment filtering systems are super-expensive---you could =
buy a whole lot of bottled water for making glazes for what you'd pay =
for the system."
It depends what kind of filter and whether you do whole house or just =
the tap. When I was using well water (so bad it turned dishes orange) I =
installed an undersink filter. I think the cost was approx. $45.00 with =
a filter that was around $20.00 needing replaced every few months. I'm =
sure it wasn't as good as a super expensive system, but at least I could =
drink the water and boil it without an iron scum on the top. Could also =
make iced tea that was a normal color. What it wouldn't prevent is the =
iron buildup in the pipes and hot water tank.
Anita
Ilene Richardson on tue 5 nov 02
I don't think there is enough iron in the water anywhere to give you
"iron poisoning"... better known as iron toxicity. Better yet, you
could eat an iron frying pan and get poisoned, or you could get hit with
one and die faster. (Ouch) Usually, hydrogen sulfide is in water with
iron, and has a stinky smell like rotten eggs... like my water at home.
Its either that or something else thats in the water, but the iron is
most likely not the culprit. I would worry about bacteria or virus' in
the water that may be creating the stink. The sulfur smell goes away
after a minute or two because the sulfur evaporates out and then the
water is NOT stinky.
The city or town... County Extension Service or Health department will
test it to see if its safe. A water conditioning service will test for
what else is in the water.
Good Luck,
Ilene
From the eastern shore of maryland, land of iron in the water, on the
bathtubs, in the toilets, forever leaving its mark.
Philip Poburka on wed 6 nov 02
I would say it can make you sick.
See if there is a way not to have to have it's smell in the
air where you are working.
Whether or not it is the 'Iron' in the Water, or other
things, or other things as well.
Sometimes the Water here, has made me nausious, that is,
just
smelling it does, as in taking a ('brief') Shower...close
enough
to my definition...of 'sick'...
I knew Water Systems Engineers here who would not eat an Egg
as has been boiled in it, nor Pasta and the like if boiled
in it...they
distrust it utterly.
As pretty much do I...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. P. Skeen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Iron Poisoning?
Ok, let me be clearer! I am NOT drinking this water. I do
not like to
drink water that I can't see through . I'm just trying
to figure out if
the smell from the water getting in my sinuses or whatever
can make me sick,
because I canNOT get rid of this nasty taste in my mouth
that only happens
when I'm at the studio and near the sink. :(
Can I send water to poison control for testing?
Thanks everybody!
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavin Stairs"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Iron Poisoning?
> Hi Lisa,
>
> The smell is probably not the iron, but sulphur. Hi
sulphur water will
> precipitate out iron and other sulfates. Sulfates are
mostly
> insoluble. The red color is from the iron and possibly
other stuff
>
> As to the poisoning, I have heard of people getting ill
from too much
iron,
> but I've never heard that the sulfate version is a
problem. I would
expect
> that most of it would go right through you like a barium
cocktail. The
> worst I would expect is a bad smell (!). That sort of
smell is quite
> expensive at some mineral water spas.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to do your glazes
any good. Maybe
> you should collect rain water, or invest in a sulphur -
iron treatment
tank.
>
> Gavin
>
> At 08:54 AM 05/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
> >
> >In my studio the water has so much iron in it you can
smell it. If you =
> >leave a bucket of water sitting on the table, the iron
will precipitate =
> >out of it, leaving a red scum on the bottom. The sinks
and toilets all =
> >look like I poured Spanish RIO in 'em.
> >
> >For the last couple of weeks, I have been doing more
handbuilding than =
> >throwing, and the table is about 6' from the sink. I can
smell the iron
=
> >from the table, and get this NASTY metal taste in my
mouth that does not
=
> >go away until about 30 mins. after I leave the building.
No, the kiln =
> >is not running, and if it were, it has a vent on it that
does a REALLY =
> >good job.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >L
> >
> >
> >
> >L. P. Skeen www.living-tree.net
> >the Viscountess Standing Turtle
> >Living Tree Studios, Summerfield, NC
> >"If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made
from =
> >vegetables,=20
> >what is baby oil made from?"
> >
>
>___________________________________________________________
________________
___
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at
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>
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Ilene Mahler on wed 6 nov 02
Cheryl would like to but need e-mail address..All are friends on this list
and we try and help and confort each other whenever necessary..Ilene in Conn
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Hoffman
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Iron Poisoning?
> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:24:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> lpskeen@LIVING-TREE.NET writes:
>
>
> > Is it possible to get poisoned by iron in your water?
> >
>
> Hey Lisa,
> I'm not a doctor or rocket scientist, but I don't think you can
poison
> yourself with the water. I have well water that is so heavy with iron
that
> my porcelain pots turn dark orange as they dry. It fires out in the
bisque.
> When I was a midwife, we would tell anemic prego's to cook in an
iron
> skillet to boost the iron in their blood, since anemia (iron-poor blood)
is a
> common problem during pregnancy. The old iron skillet always seemed to
work
> for them. Just my opinion, based on empirical knowledge and old wives
tales.
> Cher Gauvin, formerly known as Hoffman. Hubby traded me in for a younger
> model with nice nails last week. Could use some support if any
girlfriends
> out there want to contact me off list.
>
>
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__
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Pottery by Dai on wed 6 nov 02
Ilene said:
> Cheryl would like to but need e-mail address..
Ilene and others who don't see addresses - if you have Outlook Express,
highlight the email you want the address of, go to File, and click on
Properties---voila! you'll see the email address!
Dai in Armstrong, BC, where we had our first raku firing in the new
location---in the sleet! It was a great firing; Dan finally quit at 2 a.m.,
bone tired, but you hate to quit when it's going so good!
dai@potterybydai.com
potterybydai@telus.net
nightfire@telus.net
www.potterybydai.com
Take your work seriously---take yourself lightly. Unknown
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