Leland G. Hall on mon 25 nov 02
Hi list. Rakuists in particular.
I've been rakuing for several years now and have been of late feeling an
itch to expand my color palate. So I'm wondering how may of you rakuists
have fooled around with, or perhaps even have integrated the use of Mason
Stains with Raku. The possibilities seem promising. Would like to hear
from those who have tried this, or are doing it regularly. Thanks.
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
La Pine, Oregon
USA
Pat Southwood on mon 25 nov 02
Hallo,
Leland, I have never used Mason stains, but we used to mix underglaze stain
into a basic white crackle raku glaze with sucess. If you used too much it
acted as a flux. We found max. was 10% Not sure how the strenghs compare.
Pat.
pat@southwood4.fsnet.co.uk
Ababi on tue 26 nov 02
Yes not Mason, similar.
I did it in two ways: To the glaze: I added it raised the maturing temperature and was
very un - delicate.
To engob: You can use your basic engob as powder, to 100% I add up to 50% stain. It
looks very good and delicate on raku.
It is good for all the firing itis exelent when you have students that cannot understand
that too much stain will cause the glaze to fall off.
You can always apply thinner and get the more delicate effect of stain.
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>Hallo,
>Leland, I have never used Mason stains, but we used to mix underglaze stain
>into a basic white crackle raku glaze with sucess. If you used too much it
>acted as a flux. We found max. was 10% Not sure how the strenghs compare.
>Pat.
>pat@southwood4.fsnet.co.uk
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Susan Giddings on tue 26 nov 02
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:34:54 -0500, Leland G. Hall
wrote:
>Hi list. Rakuists in particular.
>
>I've been rakuing for several years now and have been of late feeling an
>itch to expand my color palate. So I'm wondering how may of you rakuists
>have fooled around with, or perhaps even have integrated the use of Mason
>Stains with Raku. The possibilities seem promising. Would like to hear
>from those who have tried this, or are doing it regularly. Thanks.
>Leland Hall
>Before The Wheel Enterprises
>La Pine, Oregon
>USA
>
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Leland,
I have used Mason Stains with Raku quite a bit and with pretty much very
successful results (at least to me they're successful) I take a rather
casual approach though:
For Raku, using some of our normal white crackle glaze, I just add mason
stains until I get the color (hue, shade, intensity) I want. Then brush it
on - three thin coats usually. Normally I use graphic art tape, and try to
stay within the lines. Pull the tape off prior to firing. No glaze under
the tape so you end up with black lines around the colors. The reason I
prefer this tape is because it comes in varying widths and will fit along a
curve without buckling. Masking tape works, but has to be cut or ripped to
width (I like to use 1/4") and when thin, will fit the pot well, but not as
well as the black graphic tape.
I have also just mixed mason stains with water and brushed them on -
similarly to an oxide wash. I've done this on bisque ware as well as
greenware and it seems to work pretty well. Problems I have found is that
if the "wash" is too thick, sometimes it seems to buckle and some glazes -
especially high fire - will develop "pocks" or specks that are not at all
fused. If you use mason stains in high fire, be sure that they are
formulated for the temperature range appropriate. Almost all are perfectly
OK to use with Raku.
Most commonly, I mix mason stains with porcelain slip and apply over
freshly thrown ware. Doesn't matter to me if it will end up high fire or
raku when I do this as long as the mason stain is geared for the
temperature range of the ultimate firing. And again, I mix by color -
probably anywhere from 1 to 2 tablespoons to a 6 or 8 oz yogurt cup. I do
NOT measure accurately so use this as a guide and not bible! I also don't
even sieve it - just stir vigorously with the brush I will use for applying
it. I do it this way even when mixed with a glaze. When mixed with water,
some of them will have a tendency to settle out rather quickly so a quick
stir while I dip the brush handles it. I like the immediacy and spontaneity
that comes with just DOING IT so for me, painstaking measurement and mixing
is a tradeoff that just does not compensate. A more exacting approach will
of course, work!
Susan Giddings
Expressions Pottery Workshop
East Granby, CT USA
http://www.expressionspottery.com
Marcia Selsor on tue 26 nov 02
Hi Susan!
Yes mason stains work well in raku. You can use the normal amounts
depending on your desired colors. Some stains require more than others.
Usually somewhere between 5-10% in a glaze.
Marcia Selsor in Montana
Tuscany in 2003
http://home.attbi.com/~m.selsor/Tuscany2003.html
Leland G. Hall on tue 26 nov 02
Hi Pat and thanks for the tip. Do mean just regular old underglaze, like
Duncan EZs, CCs, the premixed stuff? Or are you talking about something
else? It just so happens that we have dozens of bottles of that stuff that
no ones been using. Sitting around for years. Now I have to figure out
liquid percentages. "Math block" they said in Junior High. Ouch.
Leland Hall
Before The Wheel Enterprises
La Pine, OR, USA
b4thewheel@bendnet.com
n Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:52:05 -0000, Pat Southwood
wrote:
>Hallo,
>Leland, I have never used Mason stains, but we used to mix underglaze stain
>into a basic white crackle raku glaze with sucess. If you used too much it
>acted as a flux. We found max. was 10% Not sure how the strenghs compare.
>Pat.
>pat@southwood4.fsnet.co.uk
>
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melpots@pclink.com.
terryh on thu 28 nov 02
i have used several low-fire glazes and raku-ed. they worked just fine.=20
terry
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:34:54 -0500, Leland G. Hall =
wrote:
>Hi list. Rakuists in particular.
>
>I've been rakuing for several years now and have been of late feeling =
an
>itch to expand my color palate. So I'm wondering how may of you =
rakuists
>have fooled around with, or perhaps even have integrated the use of =
Mason
>Stains with Raku. The possibilities seem promising. Would like to =
hear
>from those who have tried this, or are doing it regularly. Thanks.
>Leland Hall
>Before The Wheel Enterprises
>La Pine, Oregon
>USA
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