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compressor-less glaze sprayer???

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Connie Woodward on sun 8 dec 02


Axner has a glaze sprayer that doesn't use a compressor,
looks kind of like one of the sprayers you use to spray
insecticide... "Paintec Glaze Sprayer"

Has anyone ever tried it? does it work? I hate the noise
from the air compressor....

thanks,

Connie

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Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery 713-256-5907
Navasota, TX www.karattopp.com connie@karattopp.com

Philip Poburka on sun 8 dec 02


Dear Connie,

I used to use an old, fairly large capacity 'Bug-Sprayer' as
was the type that had the small horizontal 'drum' (Held
almost a Quart) on the business end, and the long tube body
with a tee-shaped Handle one pumped in and out.

I'd set the piece to be glazed on the Wheel head, and have
it rotate slowly, and...

Worked nicely, if a little slow and relatively labor
intensive, but supreme for controll of the Glaze's
application.

So far as the noise of Compressors, there are two things as
come to mind.

Most modern cheap ones are noisy as they run at a high speed
to get anything done.
These, or of these, one may have it at a distance from one's
Work, as the Air does not mind much going through some
length, or some hundreds of feet of length even, of lines or
hose.

The Old or High Quality ( as say a modern 'Curtis' brand)
compressor, as runs at say 400 rpm...
One may stand right next to it whilst it run, and have an
entirely normal conversation with a companion.
They are 'quiet' and pleasant to be around.

I now have a 1928-'29, 9.5 cfm @ 425 RPM 'Curtis', and the
modern succesor of this model has almost identical
specifications, so I would expect it to be decent. They run
'slow'...while the cheap, cynical, junky (ie: most
'modern') ones fun 'fast'...

The Compressors as all my friends have in their garages or
shops, are modern, noisy, unpleasant to look at, and have
silly nasty looking, dinky, mean little Motors and
Air-Pumps. They are allways replaceing one or the other of
those, as the high rpm wears them out.

Good riddance, I allways say...but they keep replaceing, so
the riddance is seldom for long.

For merely having enough Air for running a little Paint gun,
or sprayer for Glazes, any number of older smallish, carry
in one hand compressors would do fine.

Sears, Wards, Penny's, and a host of other HArdware and
general Mercantile outfits offered them, or made them. A
huge variety was available for over fifty years at least,
and they are out there still, if one keep an eye peeled for
them, at flea markets, yard sales and the like.

I have one as is the size of a largish Orange, as is for a
Paint gun, and it is not running yet, but looks promising.
Made 1932...runs at 20,000 rpm., and may be noisy! I do not
know yet, but it is the smallest and cutest I have ever
seen. It uses a rotating cam in some chamber, rather than a
diaphram or Piston to compress the Air. I have not taken it
apart yet to see just 'how' it works, but that was my guess.

Many small outfits were made, and many were quiet, or quiet
enough.

When I painted my Nash Sedan as I drove to hi-school, I used
an older (1935 or so) 'Sears' outfit as one could carry
easily with one hand without it feeling unpleasant. It gave
plenty of Air to run Lacquer or Enamel in a Quart 'Binks'
Paint gun.

Too bad the choices now are so poor!

Saw an old Sears one the other day as I paused to
admire...very Art-Moderne styleing, maybe late '30s. Ran
fine, clean, nice to look at, quiet, and was $20.00 at a
little Flea Market.
Something like that, just keep the bearings oiled, change
the oil in the Air-Pump part now and then..you are good for
a long long time...and would never have to apologise for
it's presence.


Phil
Las Vegas


----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Woodward"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: compressor-less glaze sprayer???


Axner has a glaze sprayer that doesn't use a compressor,
looks kind of like one of the sprayers you use to spray
insecticide... "Paintec Glaze Sprayer"

Has anyone ever tried it? does it work? I hate the noise
from the air compressor....

thanks,

Connie

============================================================
Connie Woodward Karattopp Pottery 713-256-5907
Navasota, TX www.karattopp.com connie@karattopp.com

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vince pitelka on sun 8 dec 02


> Axner has a glaze sprayer that doesn't use a compressor,
> looks kind of like one of the sprayers you use to spray
> insecticide... "Paintec Glaze Sprayer"
> Has anyone ever tried it? does it work? I hate the noise
> from the air compressor....

Connie -
I don't know about the particular sprayer you mention, but as a rule, the
normal commercially available airless paint sprayers do not work well at all
for glazes and slips. Their pumps are not designed to handle abrasive
materials, and they will fail almost immediately. Before buying the one
that Axner offers, I would want to know how they have cured this problem in
an airless pump.
Let us know what you find out.
Good luck -
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
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Philip Poburka on sun 8 dec 02


The old 'Sprayers' as I think were originally being refered
to here, and as I remember, (and as maybe almost no one is
likely to remember except for their being seen parody'd in
Cartoons maybe...?)

Were as a single stage 'Bicycle' Tire Pump connected to a
small reseviour as had a venturii through which the Air,
compresses by the Pump should pass.

No abrasive or other matter suspended in the liquid in the
reseviour was compressed. Only the Air was compressed as was
passed over pr through the venturii..

Just as an 'Atomizer' is...these were in fact, but a large
sort of Atomizer as were made to dispence the Insecticide of
one's choice, or, it happens, a sieved Glaze or whatever as
may pass through the orifice of it's outbound nozzle's
diameter.

Nothing to wear out.

I have no idea what Axner's 'pump' may be, or if it is based
on a Venturii and hand compressor, or what.

But anyway...thought I'd elaborate some more here...as there
seemed some confusion conceptually as to what an
'Insecticide' dispensing hand held, hand operated, sort of
thing is...or was...

Not 'hvlp', not 'airless', not a lot of
things...but...'as'...a lareger sort of 'Atomizer'.

Which variously, as a 'type' was the predecessor of the
'Spray' guns anyway.

And was what 'DeVillbess' and some others had been making in
the 19th. Century well into the 20th., when they began as
well to make the remote of 'compressed Air' types.

Phil
Las Vegas


----- Original Message -----
From: "vince pitelka"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: compressor-less glaze sprayer???


> Axner has a glaze sprayer that doesn't use a compressor,
> looks kind of like one of the sprayers you use to spray
> insecticide... "Paintec Glaze Sprayer"
> Has anyone ever tried it? does it work? I hate the noise
> from the air compressor....

Connie -
I don't know about the particular sprayer you mention, but
as a rule, the
normal commercially available airless paint sprayers do not
work well at all
for glazes and slips. Their pumps are not designed to
handle abrasive
materials, and they will fail almost immediately. Before
buying the one
that Axner offers, I would want to know how they have cured
this problem in
an airless pump.
Let us know what you find out.
Good luck -
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/

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Donna Sparks at Almost Art on mon 9 dec 02


i Have the Paintec sprayer, tho' mine came from Georgies. It gives a good
even spray, handles glaze without clogging, cleans up easily. The only
thing to deal with is that it starts spraying when you start pumping (like
a bug sprayer) and while you can turn it OFF (twist a knob, release the
pressure) you can't build up the pressure first and then perhaps have a
hand free to turn the banding wheel the pot is on. Mine came with only
one size nozzle, but i believe others are available. A friend sprayed
several layers onto several sinks with it and was pleased, I have mostly
used it to add to a dipped pot.

about noise, we are blessed with having the compressor in another room from
the spray booth, so the exhaust fan for the booth is probably louder (and
still needed with the Paintec.

Donna

BOBBIE LISTERMAN on mon 9 dec 02


Just an amen to Vince's comment. I have used every compressorless sprayer
known to Southern man kind including the ones that keep those big hair doos
up and they always clog or fail before I can get a kiln load done.

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vince pitelka
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Subject: Re: compressor-less glaze sprayer???


> Axner has a glaze sprayer that doesn't use a compressor,
> looks kind of like one of the sprayers you use to spray
> insecticide... "Paintec Glaze Sprayer"
> Has anyone ever tried it? does it work? I hate the noise
> from the air compressor....

Connie -
I don't know about the particular sprayer you mention, but as a rule, the
normal commercially available airless paint sprayers do not work well at all
for glazes and slips. Their pumps are not designed to handle abrasive
materials, and they will fail almost immediately. Before buying the one
that Axner offers, I would want to know how they have cured this problem in
an airless pump.
Let us know what you find out.
Good luck -
- Vince

Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/

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