Vince Pitelka on sat 28 dec 02
Paul Herman wrote:
> The message I get from the art student is this:
> You, the viewers, are living in the black box of fear. Fearful people
> are easy to control/manipulate. (Julius Caeser knew this, and so do many
> contemporary politicians) Watch out for the ones who peddle fear. And
> watch out for fascists, who want to send artists to prison, or strap
> them to a bomb.
Thank you Paul Herman. A voice of reason out there in the wilderness.
Actually, there has been quite a strong voice of reason on Clayart in
opposition to all those who advocate silencing or PUNISHING this young
student for his "youthful arrogance." Thank god for young and old artists
and anarchists and their "youthful arrogance." We need a hell of a lot more
of that right now. If we have enough of them, perhaps they can raise a
voice of protest sufficient to reduce pointless and unnecessary acts of mass
violence in this world. Seems especially pertinent as 30K additional troops
are being sent to the Persian Gulf.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Crafts
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Paul Herman on sat 28 dec 02
Oh Boy,
Now maybe we can be protected from FEAR by strapping the young art
student to a bomb. Maybe someone can guarantee our SECURITY too, of
course we might have to make a few sacrifices, like our constitutional
and human rights. HELL sounds like a secure place, doesn't it?
Quote from Ron:
"Anyone who thinks that you can cause fear in a public place and call it
ART
should be strapped to a bomb and feel the real results."
I detect an ugly sentiment in the above quote. Did the art student cause
the FEAR or was it already there? Fascists always go after
artists/writers and their ilk. They fear the power of the voice in some
works of art. They try to control/manipulate/censor art to their own
needs. Their gut reaction: Squash it, and squash the artist for good
measure.
Philip Poburka asks:
> At what point may 'others' assume some responsibility for
> themselves, for their actions?
This question cuts to the quick.
The answer: Many 'others' NEVER will. If something screws up, they will
try to lay the blame on anyone but themselves. Get drunk at the bar and
crash your car? Obviously the bartender's fault for giving you too much
whiskey. Send the bartender off to jail. Fall down and hurt yourself?
Sue. Get strung out on heroin? That skulking pusher man's fault. Send
him off to prison (you get rehab). Have a panic attack? Someone else
made you that way. Strap that funky art student to a bomb. YOU are the
victim. Etc., etc. ad sauseum. Someone (anyone) else is to blame. Don't
forget, you can always be the victim, even when you are strapping
someone to a bomb.
The message I get from the art student is this:
You, the viewers, are living in the black box of fear. Fearful people
are easy to control/manipulate. (Julius Caeser knew this, and so do many
contemporary politicians) Watch out for the ones who peddle fear. And
watch out for fascists, who want to send artists to prison, or strap
them to a bomb.
Yes Jim, our society is in deep trouble, but I rest assured that Art
will outlive it.
Special thanks to lawyer Dan O'Connell, for his fine comment on free
speach.
best wishes,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
423-725 Scott Road
Doyle, California 96109 US
potter@psln.com
Paul Herman on sun 29 dec 02
Greetings all.
I've just gotta disagree with the statements below.
>From: Sam
> It is not fear - but sensible
> precautions. Having (as a child) lived through WW II,
> I remember the internment of the Japanese families,
> "Blacked Out" Cities, sayings like "loose Lips Sink
> Ships" and so on. That was not Fear, but sensible
> precautions at the time - and we needed them.
Maybe blackouts and Loose Lips sayings were "sensible precautions", but
not the unjust imprisonment of over 100,000 people. They were American
citizens and legal residents of the US, imprisoned by their/our
government. Their freedom and worldly goods were taken from them because
of the FEAR and paranoia and racism in government. It is a disgusting,
shameful stain on the history of America. It was NOT a sensible
precaution, it was a stupid and vicious and FEARSOME act. And we DO NOT
need to do things like that. We need to stop repeating awful mistakes of
the past.
And also this one:
"People who have never got their "Ass Trashed", seem to
be sympathetic to this "Artist". Perhaps you would
think differently if you or your loved one had
suffered at one time or another due to Any terioust or
criminal act? Having "been there' (suffered) at time
or three in my life,"
C'mon Sam, this isn't well thought out. What makes you think that you
are the only one who has suffered? Are you being a little self centered
here?
Black boxes can mean different things to different people. This is the
most interesting debate I've seen here on clayart since I joined a year
ago.
Wishing you all a happy new year, with plenty of FREE SPEACH!!
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
423-725 Scott Road
Doyle, California 96109 US
potter@psln.com
Sam Yancy on sun 29 dec 02
I wonder if this "Artist" - or "Yo-Yo" depending on
your oppinion - would have got the same response to
the Boxes if they had been painted pink and titled
"Peace" and "Love. Would that be "Art" or would that
be a no-no mix of church and state. Comments?
People who have never got their "Ass Trashed", seem to
be sympathetic to this "Artist". Perhaps you would
think differently if you or your loved one had
suffered at one time or another due to Any terioust or
criminal act? Having "been there' (suffered) at time
or three in my life,I always keep a close watch on
mine and my wife's surroundings (by the way, my wife
thinks differently). It is not fear - but sensible
precautions. Having (as a child) lived through WW II,
I remember the internment of the Japanese families,
"Blacked Out" Cities, sayings like "loose Lips Sink
Ships" and so on. That was not Fear, but sensible
precautions at the time - and we needed them. In a way
I feel sorry for folks who have never faced fear ....
usually "peace-nix's" (I bet that get's sombody
"p--ssed off"). In some cases you have to fight back.
P.S. Hopefully 2003 will be a better year than this
one. Sam in Daly City.
--- Vince Pitelka wrote:
> Paul Herman wrote:
> > The message I get from the art student is this:
> > You, the viewers, are living in the black box of
> fear. Fearful people
> > are easy to control/manipulate. (Julius Caeser
> knew this, and so do many
> > contemporary politicians) Watch out for the ones
> who peddle fear. And
> > watch out for fascists, who want to send artists
> to prison, or strap
> > them to a bomb.
>
> Thank you Paul Herman. A voice of reason out there
> in the wilderness.
> Actually, there has been quite a strong voice of
> reason on Clayart in
> opposition to all those who advocate silencing or
> PUNISHING this young
> student for his "youthful arrogance." Thank god for
> young and old artists
> and anarchists and their "youthful arrogance." We
> need a hell of a lot more
> of that right now. If we have enough of them,
> perhaps they can raise a
> voice of protest sufficient to reduce pointless and
> unnecessary acts of mass
> violence in this world. Seems especially pertinent
> as 30K additional troops
> are being sent to the Persian Gulf.
> - Vince
>
> Vince Pitelka
> Appalachian Center for Crafts
> Tennessee Technological University
> 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> 615/597-5376
> Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
>
>
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Sam Yancy on sun 29 dec 02
Mel _ I agree with your comments (keep it to Art and
Clay). Let us drop this thread. Please trash the
following message from me. Let's get back to the
positive. Happy 2003. Sam in Daly
--- Sam Yancy wrote:
> I wonder if this "Artist" - or "Yo-Yo" depending on
> your oppinion - would have got the same response to
> the Boxes if they had been painted pink and titled
> "Peace" and "Love. Would that be "Art" or would that
> be a no-no mix of church and state. Comments?
>
> People who have never got their "Ass Trashed", seem
> to
> be sympathetic to this "Artist". Perhaps you would
> think differently if you or your loved one had
> suffered at one time or another due to Any terioust
> or
> criminal act? Having "been there' (suffered) at time
> or three in my life,I always keep a close watch on
> mine and my wife's surroundings (by the way, my wife
> thinks differently). It is not fear - but sensible
> precautions. Having (as a child) lived through WW
> II,
> I remember the internment of the Japanese families,
> "Blacked Out" Cities, sayings like "loose Lips Sink
> Ships" and so on. That was not Fear, but sensible
> precautions at the time - and we needed them. In a
> way
> I feel sorry for folks who have never faced fear
> ....
> usually "peace-nix's" (I bet that get's sombody
> "p--ssed off"). In some cases you have to fight
> back.
> P.S. Hopefully 2003 will be a better year than this
> one. Sam in Daly City.
>
> --- Vince Pitelka wrote:
> > Paul Herman wrote:
> > > The message I get from the art student is this:
> > > You, the viewers, are living in the black box of
> > fear. Fearful people
> > > are easy to control/manipulate. (Julius Caeser
> > knew this, and so do many
> > > contemporary politicians) Watch out for the ones
> > who peddle fear. And
> > > watch out for fascists, who want to send artists
> > to prison, or strap
> > > them to a bomb.
> >
> > Thank you Paul Herman. A voice of reason out
> there
> > in the wilderness.
> > Actually, there has been quite a strong voice of
> > reason on Clayart in
> > opposition to all those who advocate silencing or
> > PUNISHING this young
> > student for his "youthful arrogance." Thank god
> for
> > young and old artists
> > and anarchists and their "youthful arrogance." We
> > need a hell of a lot more
> > of that right now. If we have enough of them,
> > perhaps they can raise a
> > voice of protest sufficient to reduce pointless
> and
> > unnecessary acts of mass
> > violence in this world. Seems especially
> pertinent
> > as 30K additional troops
> > are being sent to the Persian Gulf.
> > - Vince
> >
> > Vince Pitelka
> > Appalachian Center for Crafts
> > Tennessee Technological University
> > 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
> > Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
> > 615/597-5376
> > Work - wpitelka@tntech.edu
> > 615/597-6801 ext. 111, fax 615/597-6803
> > http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
> >
> >
>
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Lee Love on mon 30 dec 02
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Yancy"
> > I feel sorry for folks who have never faced fear
> > ....
> > usually "peace-nix's" (I bet that get's sombody
> > "p--ssed off"). In some cases you have to fight
> > back.
Sam, everybody has experienced fear. It is part of the human condition.
From the Zen perspective, fear is related to our inherent ignorance.
But I'm afraid that what you've said above is a fine example about how
public discourse of recent years has been degraded. I'd rather criticize
the merit of ideas than label and categorically dismiss people.
It takes courage to stand up against the mob mind. Folks like King and
Gandhi paid the highest price for doing this. But unless one has experienced
this, it may be difficult to understand.
--
Lee In Mashiko, Japan Ikiru@hachiko.com
"The first thing we must begin to teach our children (and learn ourselves) is
that we cannot spend and consume endlessly. We have got to learn to save and
conserve."
Quote from: "Thoughts in the Presence of Fear" by Wendell Berry
Full article: http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~ikiru/sustain.html
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