Philip Poburka on sat 28 dec 02
Why so hunry for revenge and punishment?
One person only had sugggested that the 'authorities' might have simply =
spoken with the Artist and suggested-allowed him to move, reconfigure or =
remove his 'boxes'.
Everyone else want to kill him, enprison him, fines and enprinsonment, =
kill him, severe punishments, etc.
Or viciously want to see him punished for 'not having obtained =
permission'...that part holds the 'charge' for some...while for others =
it is the 'consequences' (of which there were none) for which he should =
be severly punished.
To want to see someone severly punished for a non-event, as about which, =
in imagination, others as are having such rage about, were not present =
or informed, and afterward imagine, interpolate and impute imaginary =
hypothetical possibilities, consequences or effects the event had not =
had.
Does the 'actual' of anything no longer matter?
Only the emotional tangents we may impose upon something in our flights =
?
That he (the Artist) should be put into prison (which common knowledge =
may be understood to include, that negroes and neo nazis may sodomize =
and beat him.)
He should be blown to bits, have 'bombs' tied to him...
He should be punished.
He should be destroyed.
Imprisoned for at least 'fifteen years' for what he did.
Ten years...
How dare he not get 'permission'...
Etc...
Maybe no amount of 'punishment' would be 'enough' for what he did!
(But what did he do? Really?)
One person mentioned that the 'Artist' could have been spoken with, in =
a sympathetic manner, to move, reconfigure or remove his 'boxes'...as =
co-operation, as it were...an extemporaneous investigation politely made =
into his doings and intentions, sympathies and sense.
That the situation dealt with cleanly, effectively, simply and kindly.
It seems that no one wants that sort of thing anymore...?
Why-ever should we speak to someone when we can arrest, punish and ruin =
them for an innocuous act?
Why should we use intelligence, co-operation, interest, kindness, skill =
or patience when we may elect to act hastily in violence, escalated =
violations, rage, revenge, punishments and ire ?
Not quite 'Mayberry', is it?
Nor quite the Images of the painter Norman Rockwell...either...
"I have been punished and I DEMAND the same for others...WORSE for =
others!"
"I am being punished merely that they are NOT being punished enough!!!"
"I was punished for not getting 'permission' when I was a child, and now =
I am a ZEALOT to keep safe from the internalized violence of my long =
dead parents!!!?
Is that it?
Maybe that's also what ye learned...in 'school'?
At 'home'?
From dear old 'dad'?
...'mom'?
In the school of Life?
Is that the 'lesson'?
"Oh! How IRRESPONSIBLE!"
Really?=20
Who? Him? or insideously you?
...whatever is there left TO 'defend' here, besides our meanness and =
impatience and belief in violence and punishments to eachother?
Our happiness?
Our tolerance?
Our gracious flexibilities in dealing with things?
Our ingenue?
Our patience and presence of mind?
Our self posession?
Or...
That our 'enemies' are almost as skilled at being ugly to us as we are =
to eachother?
Phil
Las Vegas
Paul Taylor on sun 29 dec 02
Dear philip
I have always wondered about the approach the authorities take to bomb
scares as far as I can see they are part of the terror they cause.
A bomb scare could set off an announcement that there was a suspect bomb in
the building and would people leave quietly and orderly showing a dignified
defiance of the *****s that put it there - so the place can be checked over.
Sooner or later terrorists would realize how counter productive bombs were.
If all they did was allow the public to display bravery and an up front
malevolence to the bombers cause.
Instead we are herded out of a building, with announcements of do not
panic, like sheep. The difference is rhetorical but I think rhetoric matters
more than we are allowed to think. The media heighten the victim status .
this gives more comfort to the terrorist because victims seem so expendable.
As people who refuse to be victims we undermine the terrorist and
ironically undermine the system that the terrorists have a grievance
against. Which is why the system tells us not to panic but be governed by
fear they wants victims doing as they are told so they can terrorize us as
much as the terrorists . Next time there is an obvious hoax or genuine bomb
scare we could refuse to panic. We could move slowly and with dignity or not
move at all. That would scare the lot of them the terrorists and the
authorities. The media will not be talking of victims but heros regardless
of the out come - that might put a stop to bomb scares as a weapon of terror
- if we refuse to be terrorized.
An over reaction to the black box artist is also part of our living in
terror as opposed to dignity. He deserves to be thought of as an
inconsequential idiot, a child, just trying to make a name for himself. Or
maybe he deserves credit for highlighting the problem of our victim behavior
that encourages bullies to walk our streets.
Paul Taylor
Originally from Guildford , Surrey, England. My town was bombed by the IRA .
> From: Philip Poburka
> Reply-To: Philip Poburka
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:22:45 -0800
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: How anxious we have become...those black 'Boxes'...
>
> Why so hunry for revenge and punishment?
>
> One person only had sugggested that the 'authorities' might have simply spoken
> with the Artist and suggested-allowed him to move, reconfigure or remove his
> 'boxes'.
>
> Everyone else want to kill him, enprison him, fines and enprinsonment, kill
> him, severe punishments, etc.
>
> Or viciously want to see him punished for 'not having obtained
> permission'...that part holds the 'charge' for some...while for others it is
> the 'consequences' (of which there were none) for which he should be severly
> punished.
>
> To want to see someone severly punished for a non-event, as about which, in
> imagination, others as are having such rage about, were not present or
> informed, and afterward imagine, interpolate and impute imaginary hypothetical
> possibilities, consequences or effects the event had not had.
>
> Does the 'actual' of anything no longer matter?
> Only the emotional tangents we may impose upon something in our flights ?
>
> That he (the Artist) should be put into prison (which common knowledge may be
> understood to include, that negroes and neo nazis may sodomize and beat him.)
>
> He should be blown to bits, have 'bombs' tied to him...
>
> He should be punished.
>
> He should be destroyed.
>
> Imprisoned for at least 'fifteen years' for what he did.
>
> Ten years...
>
> How dare he not get 'permission'...
>
> Etc...
>
> Maybe no amount of 'punishment' would be 'enough' for what he did!
>
> (But what did he do? Really?)
>
> One person mentioned that the 'Artist' could have been spoken with, in a
> sympathetic manner, to move, reconfigure or remove his 'boxes'...as
> co-operation, as it were...an extemporaneous investigation politely made into
> his doings and intentions, sympathies and sense.
>
> That the situation dealt with cleanly, effectively, simply and kindly.
>
> It seems that no one wants that sort of thing anymore...?
>
> Why-ever should we speak to someone when we can arrest, punish and ruin them
> for an innocuous act?
> Why should we use intelligence, co-operation, interest, kindness, skill or
> patience when we may elect to act hastily in violence, escalated violations,
> rage, revenge, punishments and ire ?
>
>
>
> Not quite 'Mayberry', is it?
>
> Nor quite the Images of the painter Norman Rockwell...either...
>
>
>
> "I have been punished and I DEMAND the same for others...WORSE for others!"
>
> "I am being punished merely that they are NOT being punished enough!!!"
>
> "I was punished for not getting 'permission' when I was a child, and now I am
> a ZEALOT to keep safe from the internalized violence of my long dead
> parents!!!?
>
> Is that it?
>
> Maybe that's also what ye learned...in 'school'?
>
> At 'home'?
>
> From dear old 'dad'?
>
> ...'mom'?
>
> In the school of Life?
>
> Is that the 'lesson'?
>
> "Oh! How IRRESPONSIBLE!"
>
> Really?
>
> Who? Him? or insideously you?
>
> ...whatever is there left TO 'defend' here, besides our meanness and
> impatience and belief in violence and punishments to eachother?
>
> Our happiness?
>
> Our tolerance?
>
> Our gracious flexibilities in dealing with things?
>
> Our ingenue?
>
> Our patience and presence of mind?
>
> Our self posession?
>
> Or...
>
> That our 'enemies' are almost as skilled at being ugly to us as we are to
> eachother?
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas
>
claybair on mon 30 dec 02
Paul, don't know if the self preservation flight reflex can be that
controlled nor do I agree with what you are suggesting.
Just consider.... if the people in the second WTO building had fled when the
first was hit the casualties would have been considerably diminished. What I
recall from one documentary is that they were told everything was ok and
continue working or go back to work.
Sorry, I would have told them all to get the **** outta there! Panic... who
cares...at least they would be alive!
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Taylor
Dear philip
I have always wondered about the approach the authorities take to bomb
scares as far as I can see they are part of the terror they cause.
A bomb scare could set off an announcement that there was a suspect bomb in
the building and would people leave quietly and orderly showing a dignified
defiance of the *****s that put it there - so the place can be checked over.
Sooner or later terrorists would realize how counter productive bombs were.
If all they did was allow the public to display bravery and an up front
malevolence to the bombers cause.
Instead we are herded out of a building, with announcements of do not
panic, like sheep. The difference is rhetorical but I think rhetoric matters
more than we are allowed to think. The media heighten the victim status .
this gives more comfort to the terrorist because victims seem so expendable.
As people who refuse to be victims we undermine the terrorist and
ironically undermine the system that the terrorists have a grievance
against. Which is why the system tells us not to panic but be governed by
fear they wants victims doing as they are told so they can terrorize us as
much as the terrorists . Next time there is an obvious hoax or genuine bomb
scare we could refuse to panic. We could move slowly and with dignity or not
move at all. That would scare the lot of them the terrorists and the
authorities. The media will not be talking of victims but heros regardless
of the out come - that might put a stop to bomb scares as a weapon of terror
- if we refuse to be terrorized.
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