Edouard Bastarache on thu 2 jan 03
Hello Ron,
directly from the famous french INRS Instituts Naionaux de la Recherche =
Scientifique),
via Smart.Conseil:
"e plomb inorganique est absorb=E9 par les poumons et le tractus =
gastro-intestinal.=20
L'absorption cutan=E9e est g=E9n=E9ralement faible......"
=3D skin aborption is generally weak
Cordialement, Smart.
Smart.Conseil
Le site Fran=E7ais d=E9di=E9 aux passionn=E9s de c=E9ramique
El sitio Franc=E9s dedic=F3 a amantes de cer=E1mica
The French site dedicated to ceramics lovers
smart2000@wanadoo.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/
(Langue Fran=E7aise par d=E9faut : Tutoiement =E0 la "Qu=E9b=E9coise")
Later,
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Irreductible Quebecois
Indomitable Quebeker
Sorel-Tracy
Quebec
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Ron Roy on mon 6 jan 03
I'm not sure what this means - In view of the new information by accredited
researchers - how can this be accurate?
Do we pick and chose what information we want?
Do we ignore that information we don't want to hear?
Is everything already known?
In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant - those with shorts on
got more lead than those with long pants.
RR
>Hello Ron,
>directly from the famous french INRS Instituts Naionaux de la Recherche
>Scientifique),
>via Smart.Conseil:
>
>"e plomb inorganique est absorb=E9 par les poumons et le tractus
>gastro-intestinal.
>L'absorption cutan=E9e est g=E9n=E9ralement faible......"
>=3D skin aborption is generally weak
>
>Cordialement, Smart.
>
>Smart.Conseil
>Le site Fran=E7ais d=E9di=E9 aux passionn=E9s de c=E9ramique
>El sitio Franc=E9s dedic=F3 a amantes de cer=E1mica
>The French site dedicated to ceramics lovers
>smart2000@wanadoo.fr
>http://perso.wanadoo.fr/smart2000/
>(Langue Fran=E7aise par d=E9faut : Tutoiement =E0 la "Qu=E9b=E9coise")
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
=46ax: 613-475-3513=20
Philip Poburka on mon 6 jan 03
Dear Ron,
Well...my friendly ten Dollar bet, is that 'sweat' would
effect more absorbsion through the skin than would 'dry'
skin...of some ambient Oxides, compounds or what of Lead,
especially as they may themselves ( otherwise) be dry.
How could it not? Not merely for it's 'wet', but for it's
chemistry and electrolytic influence upon, or confluence
with, whatever Lead compounds are present on one's Arms or
torso.
If this vector were ommited in these 'studies', I wonder
why-ever so?
Labour or Work may occasion perspiration, if not for
'scientists' per se, or those employed to make 'studies',
which may account for the omission? - but for many whose
occupations may involve Lead in some form, as the fellows
engaged in the 'Battery' reclaimation chores as was
mentioned...
I do not believe Rodents are understood to sweat.
Actually...if memory serve, Horses 'sweat', Gentlemen
perspire...and Ladies glisten.
Either way tho'...
My bet it that it makes a difference...
Yes?
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Roy"
Hi Phil,
I thought of sweat as well but it is not mentioned in
Mononas write up. The
tests were done on rats and factory workers were sampled. I
would not be
surprised if sweat was involved but I don't think it is
necessary - do rats
sweat?
An interesting technique I thought - tape applied to workers
skin exposed
to lead compounds - top skin cells stick to tape - so as the
skin layers
come to the surface you can sample those deep layers as they
come to the
surface. As soon as the tape is removed more tape is applied
so lead can't
get on that part and give a false reading.
So lead was found in even the deepest layer - and correlated
with each
workers blood level.
I misquoted when I said shorts - I should have said short
sleeved shirts.
RR
>Are the Oxides soluable in the chemistries of perspiration,
>and hence, are some parts of them liable to be in some way
>absorbed through one's skin?
>
>Phil
>Las Vegas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Roy"
>In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant - those
>with shorts on
>got more lead than those with long pants.
>RR
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Philip Poburka on mon 6 jan 03
Are the Oxides soluable in the chemistries of perspiration,
and hence, are some parts of them liable to be in some way
absorbed through one's skin?
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Roy"
In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant - those
with shorts on
got more lead than those with long pants.
RR
Ron Roy on tue 7 jan 03
Hi Phil,
I thought of sweat as well but it is not mentioned in Mononas write up. The
tests were done on rats and factory workers were sampled. I would not be
surprised if sweat was involved but I don't think it is necessary - do rats
sweat?
An interesting technique I thought - tape applied to workers skin exposed
to lead compounds - top skin cells stick to tape - so as the skin layers
come to the surface you can sample those deep layers as they come to the
surface. As soon as the tape is removed more tape is applied so lead can't
get on that part and give a false reading.
So lead was found in even the deepest layer - and correlated with each
workers blood level.
I misquoted when I said shorts - I should have said short sleeved shirts.
RR
>Are the Oxides soluable in the chemistries of perspiration,
>and hence, are some parts of them liable to be in some way
>absorbed through one's skin?
>
>Phil
>Las Vegas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Roy"
>In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant - those
>with shorts on
>got more lead than those with long pants.
>RR
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Phone: 613-475-9544
Fax: 613-475-3513
Tony Ferguson on tue 7 jan 03
Phil,
Look to Dr. Gary Young's work on essiential oils. He says the skin is the
largest absorbing organ of the body. He, in fact, with his research team
the researcher who broke the blood brain barrier with essiential oils
showing how certain oils (I recall it being high oxiginated ) can be
absorbed through the skin and make its way to the brain.
Tony
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Poburka"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Inorganic lead absorption-AnswerPart#2
> Dear Ron,
>
> Well...my friendly ten Dollar bet, is that 'sweat' would
> effect more absorbsion through the skin than would 'dry'
> skin...of some ambient Oxides, compounds or what of Lead,
> especially as they may themselves ( otherwise) be dry.
>
> How could it not? Not merely for it's 'wet', but for it's
> chemistry and electrolytic influence upon, or confluence
> with, whatever Lead compounds are present on one's Arms or
> torso.
>
> If this vector were ommited in these 'studies', I wonder
> why-ever so?
>
> Labour or Work may occasion perspiration, if not for
> 'scientists' per se, or those employed to make 'studies',
> which may account for the omission? - but for many whose
> occupations may involve Lead in some form, as the fellows
> engaged in the 'Battery' reclaimation chores as was
> mentioned...
>
>
> I do not believe Rodents are understood to sweat.
>
> Actually...if memory serve, Horses 'sweat', Gentlemen
> perspire...and Ladies glisten.
>
> Either way tho'...
>
> My bet it that it makes a difference...
>
> Yes?
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Roy"
>
>
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I thought of sweat as well but it is not mentioned in
> Mononas write up. The
> tests were done on rats and factory workers were sampled. I
> would not be
> surprised if sweat was involved but I don't think it is
> necessary - do rats
> sweat?
>
> An interesting technique I thought - tape applied to workers
> skin exposed
> to lead compounds - top skin cells stick to tape - so as the
> skin layers
> come to the surface you can sample those deep layers as they
> come to the
> surface. As soon as the tape is removed more tape is applied
> so lead can't
> get on that part and give a false reading.
>
> So lead was found in even the deepest layer - and correlated
> with each
> workers blood level.
>
> I misquoted when I said shorts - I should have said short
> sleeved shirts.
>
> RR
>
> >Are the Oxides soluable in the chemistries of perspiration,
> >and hence, are some parts of them liable to be in some way
> >absorbed through one's skin?
> >
> >Phil
> >Las Vegas
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ron Roy"
> >In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant - those
> >with shorts on
> >got more lead than those with long pants.
> >RR
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
> Phone: 613-475-9544
> Fax: 613-475-3513
>
>
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Philip Poburka on thu 9 jan 03
Thanks Tony,
This is insteresting...
I will save your mention, but I am so swamped with the
efforts to merely make ends meet, I have little occasion to
educate myself anymore...or to read and look into things
much.
Sheesh...
Sigh...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ferguson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Inorganic lead absorption-AnswerPart#2
Phil,
Look to Dr. Gary Young's work on essiential oils. He says
the skin is the
largest absorbing organ of the body. He, in fact, with his
research team
the researcher who broke the blood brain barrier with
essiential oils
showing how certain oils (I recall it being high
oxiginated ) can be
absorbed through the skin and make its way to the brain.
Tony
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku
www.aquariusartgallery.com
218-727-6339
315 N. Lake Ave
Apt 312
Duluth, MN 55806
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Poburka"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Inorganic lead absorption-AnswerPart#2
> Dear Ron,
>
> Well...my friendly ten Dollar bet, is that 'sweat' would
> effect more absorbsion through the skin than would 'dry'
> skin...of some ambient Oxides, compounds or what of Lead,
> especially as they may themselves ( otherwise) be dry.
>
> How could it not? Not merely for it's 'wet', but for it's
> chemistry and electrolytic influence upon, or confluence
> with, whatever Lead compounds are present on one's Arms or
> torso.
>
> If this vector were ommited in these 'studies', I wonder
> why-ever so?
>
> Labour or Work may occasion perspiration, if not for
> 'scientists' per se, or those employed to make 'studies',
> which may account for the omission? - but for many whose
> occupations may involve Lead in some form, as the fellows
> engaged in the 'Battery' reclaimation chores as was
> mentioned...
>
>
> I do not believe Rodents are understood to sweat.
>
> Actually...if memory serve, Horses 'sweat', Gentlemen
> perspire...and Ladies glisten.
>
> Either way tho'...
>
> My bet it that it makes a difference...
>
> Yes?
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Roy"
>
>
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I thought of sweat as well but it is not mentioned in
> Mononas write up. The
> tests were done on rats and factory workers were sampled.
I
> would not be
> surprised if sweat was involved but I don't think it is
> necessary - do rats
> sweat?
>
> An interesting technique I thought - tape applied to
workers
> skin exposed
> to lead compounds - top skin cells stick to tape - so as
the
> skin layers
> come to the surface you can sample those deep layers as
they
> come to the
> surface. As soon as the tape is removed more tape is
applied
> so lead can't
> get on that part and give a false reading.
>
> So lead was found in even the deepest layer - and
correlated
> with each
> workers blood level.
>
> I misquoted when I said shorts - I should have said short
> sleeved shirts.
>
> RR
>
> >Are the Oxides soluable in the chemistries of
perspiration,
> >and hence, are some parts of them liable to be in some
way
> >absorbed through one's skin?
> >
> >Phil
> >Las Vegas
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ron Roy"
> >In the study quoted - on workers in a battery plant -
those
> >with shorts on
> >got more lead than those with long pants.
> >RR
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
> Phone: 613-475-9544
> Fax: 613-475-3513
>
>
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