Catherine White on fri 3 jan 03
Am I correct in assuming that it's bad form (or illegal) to copy a glaze
from a current book and post it to others? An example might be one of
Coleman's from his books........
Catherine in Yuma, AZ
Two ancient electric kilns. Both outside.
It never rains here at the Mexican border.
One partner, one kid, one dog, two cats. All inside.
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"we oftentimes exchange recipes here, and provide
specific recipes to each other. Usually they are ones that
have previously been published or are "out there". "
Earl Brunner on fri 3 jan 03
I personally wouldn't have a problem with sharing an occasional single
glaze recipe with a friend, either in e-mail or some other way. I
wouldn't copy multiple recipes from a source and send or share them.
Back when John and Ron's book came out we had a long discussion about
this on clayart. I believe that the general consensus was that you
didn't want to post to a public forum and you wouldn't want to do
something that would hurt your friends (in this case, John and Ron) or
another book author financially. And that was aside from the possible
copyright issues.
Some recipes are almost public domain, like cone 6 Floating Blue, but it
is in at least one book- Chappell's "Complete Book of Clay and Glazes".
I'm not sure where all of Tom's glazes came from, whether he developed
them himself or not. I do think that John and Ron developed and paid
for the testing on the safety of all of their glazes, because that is
one of the focuses of their book.
Earl Brunner
Catherine White wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that it's bad form (or illegal) to copy a glaze
> from a current book and post it to others? An example might be one of
> Coleman's from his books........
>
> Catherine in Yuma, AZ
> Two ancient electric kilns. Both outside.
> It never rains here at the Mexican border.
> One partner, one kid, one dog, two cats. All inside.
> =============================================
> "we oftentimes exchange recipes here, and provide
> specific recipes to each other. Usually they are ones that
> have previously been published or are "out there". "
>
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Tony Ferguson on fri 3 jan 03
Catherine,
I think in all respect due to authors, if I had a book and someone was
posting my recipes, I wouldn't feel necessarily good about it. I wouldn't
have a problem with friends sharing a "few" recipes between themselves, but
to post it in the open domain, why write a book then if everyone has access
to it? Sets up some interesting karmic possibilities. I think if you like
something, and you use it, you should honor the author and buy the book.
Thank you.
Tony Ferguson
On Lake Superior, where the sky meets the Lake
Stoneware, Porcelain, Raku
www.aquariusartgallery.com
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Duluth, MN 55806
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From: "Catherine White"
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Subject: Swapping Glaze Recipes was kathy recipe question
> Am I correct in assuming that it's bad form (or illegal) to copy a glaze
> from a current book and post it to others? An example might be one of
> Coleman's from his books........
>
> Catherine in Yuma, AZ
> Two ancient electric kilns. Both outside.
> It never rains here at the Mexican border.
> One partner, one kid, one dog, two cats. All inside.
> =============================================
> "we oftentimes exchange recipes here, and provide
> specific recipes to each other. Usually they are ones that
> have previously been published or are "out there". "
>
>
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Paul Lewing on sun 5 jan 03
on 1/3/03 3:00 PM, Catherine White at ncwhite@ADELPHIA.NET wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that it's bad form (or illegal) to copy a glaze
> from a current book and post it to others? An example might be one of
> Coleman's from his books........
It's not illegal, and I'm not sure whether it's bad form or not, but for as
long as I've been doing clay (35+ years) the assumption on the part of
everyone I've ever known has been that if a glaze recipe is published in a
book or magazine, then the author did not care whether it was passed on or
not. I've never known anyone who started out making clay work who got glaze
recipes any other way.
It's been common practice that if you have a glaze recipe that you don't
want everyone to use, you don't share it- with ANYONE. Or you only share it
with those you are absolutely certain will not pass it on if that's your
wish.
The only authors I've ever been aware of who did not want the recipes in
their book passed on are John Hesselberth and Ron Roy, who ask specifically
that those who buy "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes" not pass them on to people who
have not bought the book. Obviously, everyone should honor that request.
And actually, if someone gave you all their recipes and you didn't read
their book as well, you'd find that the recipes didn't "work", which is why
they feel as they do.
Now, taking someone else's recipe and passing it on with your name on it is
the depth of tackiness. But sharing glaze recipes has always been
considered to be just like passing on food recipes from cookbooks. I, for
one, hope it stays that way. As someone who invents glaze recipes when I
need something new, I'm always hugely complimented when I see someone using
one of my recipes. My first, and most important, hero in ceramics has
always been Dave Shaner. Nothing would please me more than to know that
studios all over had barrels of glazes that I'd developed sitting around.
On the other hand, if a complete stranger came up to me at a fair or
someplace like that and asked for a glaze recipe, I'd probably say no, even
if it's a recipe I hand out in my workshops. I figure you need to give me
SOMETHING for it, even if it's only the courtesy of listening to me for a
day while I explain it to you.
Paul Lewing, Seattle
Ron Roy on mon 6 jan 03
Hi Cathrine,
Lots of good feed back on this - much of which I agree with.
The main problem is discerning which glazes are in the public domain and I
have no quick answer on how to do that.
Many glaze books are simply a collection of glazes - from other books,
students, university departments, guilds and workshops. I assume - if
someone asks for a glaze from me - to include in a book - that it will get
passed around - I have in effect - lost control of that glaze.
Unfortunately - very few authors include some of the necessary information
needed to make many glazes work the way they are advertised to. Another
subject I know but it seems to me - if any author has taken the time to
include that kind of information - firing, cooling, Seger formula,
expansion - it becomes more valuable and their contribution is more
valuable - and should command more respect.
I feel I should only give away a glaze that I have actually used over a
period of time - so I know what it is and how to use it. It bothers me that
I have originated so many glazes - mostly reformulations I know - but -
they have my name on the and I have never even seen them. It was years
before I ever saw the RR Black for instance.
I don't need to be secretive about my glazes - don't have to because I
don't make my living making pots anymore - never did anyway - always made
em for me - way I am.
I do understand that those that do make their living making pots need to
protect their market share - so I don't blame them - they need all the
advantage they can get it seems to me.
In the end I believe there is much more to a good pot than the glaze -
another story.
In the meantime - if you want people to keep writing books on glazes -
don't undercut their profit by making it easy for others to not buy their
own copies. Especially those authors who are adding vital, usable
information instead of just the recipe and some good sounding name.
There is nothing wrong about pointing out where the glazes are - that you
want to share - many potters simply don't know where the glazes are. Many
texts can be found in Libraries - I am assuming you have used those glazes
and can pass on some pertinent information on how to make em work - now
that would be an improvement on how glazes are currently shared.
RR
>Am I correct in assuming that it's bad form (or illegal) to copy a glaze
>from a current book and post it to others? An example might be one of
>Coleman's from his books........
>
>Catherine in Yuma, AZ
Ron Roy
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Canada
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