Jack Rosenberg on sun 12 jan 03
Hello to all. I am a new member of the clay community, and have been
enjoying reading the discussions on ClayArt. After last months call for
postings about Lustres from Gail McCarthy, I thought it might be of
interest for others to see some of my Lustre works. The link is:
www.jackrosenberg.com Thanks to all who contribute to this wonderful
community.
Jack Rosenberg
Marcia Selsor on wed 16 apr 03
Read Alan Caiger Smith's Lusterware. He has spent his life researching this.
Marcia Selsor
Alan Walker wrote:
> I am interested in the science of lustre glazes, in which metal oxides are converted to the metal by firing in strongly reducing conditions. Can anyone direct me to literature on the thermodynamics and phase equilibria involved?
>
> TIA
>
> AW
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iandol on thu 17 apr 03
Dear Marcia Selsor,
A great read. But the technical commentary is not written by Alan Caiger =
Smith. That part should be used wisely with an open and critical mind.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.=20
Alan Walker on thu 17 apr 03
I am interested in the science of lustre glazes, in which metal oxides =
are converted to the metal by firing in strongly reducing conditions. =
Can anyone direct me to literature on the thermodynamics and phase =
equilibria involved?
TIA
AW
Marcia Selsor on thu 17 apr 03
Thanks.
I did research on Luster back in the 60s at the U of Penn Rare book
room. I wish I'd kept that research. I read how the Moorish potters in
Spain made their lusterd and fired in reduction.
But that was an age ago. None of the technical equilibria was ever
discussed there.
Marcia
iandol wrote:
> Dear Marcia Selsor,
>
> A great read. But the technical commentary is not written by Alan Caiger Smith. That part should be used wisely with an open and critical mind.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis.
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Fredrick Paget on thu 17 apr 03
When we were at the Museu D'Etnologia in Valencia, Spain a few years ago
with Martia Selsor's Tour Group, I picked up a book on Luster Glazes
written in Valencian dialect of Spanish.
It is called "La Ceramica de Reflejo Metalico en Manises - 1850 -
1960". Josep Perez Camps is a principal author.
It is a catalog aparently for an exhibition they had there in 1998. However
it goes way beyond the usual catalog and delves into the old processes and
gives formulas for the glazes.
It starts out with several chapters on the history of luster in the town of
Manises, which is near Valencia, and was a center of luster ware production.
Then there are chapters on luster formulas and construction of the special
luster kilns with photos and plans.
Next there are 32 pages of lovely color pictures of lusterware from the
exhibition and a catalog of makers marks.
The appendix is about 40 pages of formulas from antiquity in Valentian
Spanish using materials often from nature that are not easy to find these
days. You probably have to make them yourself.
Fred Paget
Just back from an Elderhostel Tour of Portugal where we saw endless vistas
of Azulejos - tiles , Low fire with underglaze decoration or paintings in
cobalt blue or other colors.
Some of the Azulejos were luster ware from Valencia and one large expanse
that has been exposed to the mild weather near Lisbon for 400 years is
still in fair condition.
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
iandol on fri 18 apr 03
Dear Fredrick Paget, <>
Are you able to give an address to which we may write to purchase a =
copy of that Catalogue? Or was it only available to those who visit the =
exhibition?
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis
Fredrick Paget on sat 19 apr 03
>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:59:00 -0700
>To: "iandol"
>From: Fredrick Paget
>Subject: Re: Lustre
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>Dear Ivor,
>I bought it at the Museum gift shop in Valencia. I can't remember for sure
>which of the Museums we visited, Marcia Selsor probably does. It was
>either the Museu de Ceramica or the Museu d' Etnologia. The address of the
>latter is on the book and given as C/ Corona, 36 - 46003 Valencia, Spain.
> ISBN 84-7795-143-8 is the number and there is a price of 2500 penciled
>in, which would be in the Spanish currency before the Euro.
>
>Hope this helps.
>Fred Paget
>
>>Dear Fredrick Paget, <>
>>Are you able to give an address to which we may write to purchase a
>>copy of that Catalogue? Or was it only available to those who visit the
>>exhibition?
>>Best regards,
>>Ivor Lewis
>
>
>
From Fred Paget, Marin County, California, USA
Russel Fouts on sun 20 apr 03
Ivor,
Alan Caiger-Smith, in "Potters, People and Time", describes his early
experiments trying to get reduction lusters in an electric kiln. He
found that fudge pushed in through the spy holes worked best.
Gives a new definition to "fudge packer" ;-)
Ru
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Mike Cogswell on sat 8 dec 07
Hi
I'm new to this. I hope this gets through
ok.
I'm using onglaze lustres and have just found that Johnson and Matthey have
discontinued a range of their lusters. It seems that others have found a
similar problem with other companies. Has anyone found a good alternative. I
find a lot of the lustres just don't work for my techniques.
Cheer Mike
Ivor and Olive Lewis on sat 8 dec 07
Dear Mike Cogswell,
The last time I bought Liquid Bright Gold, gold bullion prices on the =
Wall Street Stock Exchange were about $US 250.00 per Troy ounce and I =
paid $AU 12.50 for a 2 gram vial.
Today the range for gold bullion fluctuates between $US 780 and $US 830. =
I suppose J M consider it not worth the effort considering the tonnage =
of gold wire now used by the computer chip makers.
Are Hanovia Engelhard in New Jersey still producing ?
Greg Daly in his book on glazes describes how to make Resinate Lustres.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= on sun 9 dec 07
> Mike Cogswell wrote :
>
>I'm using onglaze lustres and have just found that Johnson and Matthey have
>discontinued a range of their lusters. It seems that others have found a
>similar problem with other companies. Has anyone found a good alternative. I
>find a lot of the lustres just don't work for my techniques.
What exactly are you looking for , luster-wise? Specific
colors? Metallics?
What techniques are you doing that you say some lusters dont work for?
There are some companies out there that are importing
german lusters.. and reusche is reported to be getting into lusters .
Its hard to answer with not a lot of information to work with .
I am glad Clayart is back. I missed it..
Marci Blattenberger Boskie's Mama =^..^=
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Mike Cogswell on mon 10 dec 07
Hi Ivor, Deb and Marci,
I've been using lusters for 20 years, my techniques are pretty complex =
combinations and firings but to answer Marci's question, specifically =
I'm looking for a chemical equivalent of J M's light blue lustre , I've =
tried Fay Goods ( an Australian supplier) I think they might import from =
Degussa and it doesn't do the main job I needed it to and it's awfully =
weak for other work I do. Essentially as I understand it JM have shifted =
part of their production to Holland because Staffordshire potteries are =
decimated. When I wrote I thought I had a greater problem, i.e. that I =
couldn't get JM bronze lustre but I've sourced enough to get me through =
a few years.
Ivor, I've read Greg Daley's short piece on lustre making and pushed =
I'll do it but I'll have to find out much more than that short piece.
Deb, I had a look at the New Mexico site, their range of lusters is =
small and not what I want.=20
Thank you for answering.
Cheers Mike
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Deborah Thuman=20
To: mcogswell@PARADISE.NET.NZ=20
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: Luster
If you're talking about the metallic lusters that go on top of a =
glazed piece and are fired very low (^019), check New Mexico Clay =
(there's a web site - just google the name). That's where I get mine =
from.=20
Deb
http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
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Johanna De Maine on mon 10 dec 07
Hello Mike
Why don't you do some tests blending your shade of blue with white lustre.
Additions of white lustre to other lustres can produce pastels. Use the line
blend principle. I must emphasize testing as some combinations do not work.
Experiment
Johanna DeMaine
On Monday 10 December 2007 17:07:04 Mike Cogswell wrote:
> Hi Ivor, Deb and Marci,
> I've been using lusters for 20 years, my techniques are pretty complex
> combinations and firings but to answer Marci's question, specifically I'm
> looking for a chemical equivalent of J M's light blue lustre , I've tried
> Fay Goods ( an Australian supplier) I think they might import from Degussa
> and it doesn't do the main job I needed it to and it's awfully weak for
> other work I do. Essentially as I understand it JM have shifted part of
> their production to Holland because Staffordshire potteries are decimated.
> When I wrote I thought I had a greater problem, i.e. that I couldn't get JM
> bronze lustre but I've sourced enough to get me through a few years.
>
> Ivor, I've read Greg Daley's short piece on lustre making and pushed I'll
> do it but I'll have to find out much more than that short piece.
>
> Deb, I had a look at the New Mexico site, their range of lusters is small
> and not what I want.
>
> Thank you for answering.
>
> Cheers Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Deborah Thuman
> To: mcogswell@PARADISE.NET.NZ
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:12 AM
> Subject: Luster
>
>
> If you're talking about the metallic lusters that go on top of a glazed
> piece and are fired very low (^019), check New Mexico Clay (there's a web
> site - just google the name). That's where I get mine from.
>
> Deb
> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
>
>
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marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= on tue 11 dec 07
>: Mike Cogswell said:
>
>Hi Ivor, Deb and Marci,
>I've been using lusters for 20 years, my techniques are pretty complex =
>combinations and firings but to answer Marci's question, specifically =
>I'm looking for a chemical equivalent of J M's light blue lustre , I've =
>tried Fay Goods ( an Australian supplier)
Try Rynne China..in the US They have a light blue . Dont know
if it will work for you but it is different from the Fay Good lusters..
www.rynnechina.com
Also, try Held of Harrogate ...in the UK They have a nice
assortment of lusters..
http://www.held.co.uk/
Also Alexanders in Australia http://designerbrushes.com/
I have tried lusters from all three companies and they all
work very well.. and can be fired anywhere from the Cone 022
( 1115 F / 600 C ) to Cone 015 ( 1480 F / 800 C) range...
Marci Boskie's Mama =^..^=
Hendersonville ( near Nashville ) , Tennessee
please visit my website : http://www.marciblattenberger.com
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Mike Cogswell on tue 11 dec 07
Hello Joanna,
I've never seen white lustre. They have never been available in New Zealand
as far as I know. You're not taking about lustre paste by any chance? I am
trying blends. Thanks for the advise,
Cheers Mike
Original Message -----
From: "Johanna De Maine"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Lustre
> Hello Mike
> Why don't you do some tests blending your shade of blue with white lustre.
> Additions of white lustre to other lustres can produce pastels. Use the
> line
> blend principle. I must emphasize testing as some combinations do not
> work.
> Experiment
>
> Johanna DeMaine
>
>
> On Monday 10 December 2007 17:07:04 Mike Cogswell wrote:
>> Hi Ivor, Deb and Marci,
>> I've been using lusters for 20 years, my techniques are pretty complex
>> combinations and firings but to answer Marci's question, specifically I'm
>> looking for a chemical equivalent of J M's light blue lustre , I've tried
>> Fay Goods ( an Australian supplier) I think they might import from
>> Degussa
>> and it doesn't do the main job I needed it to and it's awfully weak for
>> other work I do. Essentially as I understand it JM have shifted part of
>> their production to Holland because Staffordshire potteries are
>> decimated.
>> When I wrote I thought I had a greater problem, i.e. that I couldn't get
>> JM
>> bronze lustre but I've sourced enough to get me through a few years.
>>
>> Ivor, I've read Greg Daley's short piece on lustre making and pushed I'll
>> do it but I'll have to find out much more than that short piece.
>>
>> Deb, I had a look at the New Mexico site, their range of lusters is small
>> and not what I want.
>>
>> Thank you for answering.
>>
>> Cheers Mike
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Deborah Thuman
>> To: mcogswell@PARADISE.NET.NZ
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:12 AM
>> Subject: Luster
>>
>>
>> If you're talking about the metallic lusters that go on top of a glazed
>> piece and are fired very low (^019), check New Mexico Clay (there's a web
>> site - just google the name). That's where I get mine from.
>>
>> Deb
>> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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Johanna De Maine on tue 11 dec 07
Hello Mike
No, I am not talking about lustre paste. I get white lustre from Fay Good in
Adelaide, Australia. Designer Tools in Adelaide also has it.
Johanna DeMaine
http://johanna.demaine.org
On Tuesday 11 December 2007 05:06:55 Mike Cogswell wrote:
> Hello Joanna,
> I've never seen white lustre. They have never been available in New Zealand
> as far as I know. You're not taking about lustre paste by any chance? I am
> trying blends. Thanks for the advise,
>
> Cheers Mike
>
>
>
>
> Original Message -----
> From: "Johanna De Maine"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Lustre
>
> > Hello Mike
> > Why don't you do some tests blending your shade of blue with white
> > lustre. Additions of white lustre to other lustres can produce pastels.
> > Use the line
> > blend principle. I must emphasize testing as some combinations do not
> > work.
> > Experiment
> >
> > Johanna DeMaine
Mike Cogswell on tue 11 dec 07
Hi Joanna,
Thanks, I'll talk to my supplier.
Cheers Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johanna De Maine"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Lustre
> Hello Mike
> No, I am not talking about lustre paste. I get white lustre from Fay Good
> in
> Adelaide, Australia. Designer Tools in Adelaide also has it.
>
> Johanna DeMaine
> http://johanna.demaine.org
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 11 December 2007 05:06:55 Mike Cogswell wrote:
>> Hello Joanna,
>> I've never seen white lustre. They have never been available in New
>> Zealand
>> as far as I know. You're not taking about lustre paste by any chance? I
>> am
>> trying blends. Thanks for the advise,
>>
>> Cheers Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message -----
>> From: "Johanna De Maine"
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Lustre
>>
>> > Hello Mike
>> > Why don't you do some tests blending your shade of blue with white
>> > lustre. Additions of white lustre to other lustres can produce pastels.
>> > Use the line
>> > blend principle. I must emphasize testing as some combinations do not
>> > work.
>> > Experiment
>> >
>> > Johanna DeMaine
>
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Mike Cogswell on wed 12 dec 07
Hi Marci,
Thanks very much for that info.
I'll be in the UK next year and up around Yorkshire I'll look at Held but
I've e-mailed them.
I have some Alexander lustre arriving and another from Holland.
Sometimes I'd like to tele-port myself to your outlets, we're a little
restricted in what we can get our hands on here but then I suppose that
leads to invention and I love this environment.
Cheers Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "marci Boskie's Mama =^..^="
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Lustre
> >: Mike Cogswell said:
>>
>>Hi Ivor, Deb and Marci,
>>I've been using lusters for 20 years, my techniques are pretty complex =
>>combinations and firings but to answer Marci's question, specifically =
>>I'm looking for a chemical equivalent of J M's light blue lustre , I've =
>>tried Fay Goods ( an Australian supplier)
>
>
> Try Rynne China..in the US They have a light blue . Dont know
> if it will work for you but it is different from the Fay Good
> lusters..
> www.rynnechina.com
>
> Also, try Held of Harrogate ...in the UK They have a nice
> assortment of lusters..
> http://www.held.co.uk/
>
> Also Alexanders in Australia http://designerbrushes.com/
>
> I have tried lusters from all three companies and they all
> work very well.. and can be fired anywhere from the Cone 022
> ( 1115 F / 600 C ) to Cone 015 ( 1480 F / 800 C) range...
>
> Marci Boskie's Mama =^..^=
> Hendersonville ( near Nashville ) , Tennessee
> please visit my website : http://www.marciblattenberger.com
>
>
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marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= on wed 12 dec 07
> Mike Cogswell said:
>Hi Marci,
>
>Thanks very much for that info.
>
>I'll be in the UK next year and up around Yorkshire I'll look at Held but
>I've e-mailed them.
Im going to be doing some workshops at Held the last week
of April-first week of May.on an assortment of topics:lusters,
Fusing glass to porcelain , overglaze textures, etc
. It would be neat if you ended up there at the same time..
marci
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