Christie Johnson-Lucero on sun 19 jan 03
I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals =
and am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit =
financially and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute? Also, =
how do you clean the balls between glazes?
Christie Lucero
Snowlion Fine Arts
Escudilla Bonita, NM
Earl Brunner on tue 21 jan 03
I have visions of the lid popping off while driving around town..........
J. B. Clauson wrote:
> I shall repeat my old teacher's method. She took a large jar she got from
> one of the local delis (I think it was a pickle jar) and added large glass
> marbles. She loaded the jar with material to be milled and put the jar on
> its side in the back of her jeep and let it roll around as she drove around
> town. After milling was complete, she unloaded the jar and rinsed the jar
> and the marbles in clear water and, after drying completely, her "ball mill"
> was ready to roll again. I haven't tried this (I have the jar and the jeep,
> but no studio at present so nothing to mill) but she swore by her method.
> It's cheap and won't hurt to try until you can afford a manufactured mill.
>
> Jan C.
>
Lily Krakowski on tue 21 jan 03
In his book Joseph Grebanier has a plan for a ball mill. The container I
used was bought, but there are descriptions of people making their own, or
adapting something. Cardew also has something on ball mills, very good no
doubt, but I find it harder to understand. Grebanier's ball mill took me
just an afternoon to build! It was so long ago, I do not remember did I
have to order anything made, but I think it all was assembled from ready
stuff at hardware store. Your public library should be able to get you
Grebanier's book...
Christie Johnson-Lucero writes:
> I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals and am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit financially and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute? Also, how do you clean the balls between glazes?
> Christie Lucero
> Snowlion Fine Arts
> Escudilla Bonita, NM
>
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(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
Roger Korn on tue 21 jan 03
Is this book Chinese Stoneware Glazes by Joseph Grebanier?
Thanks,
Roger
Lily Krakowski wrote:
> In his book Joseph Grebanier has a plan for a ball mill. The container I
> used was bought, but there are descriptions of people making their
> own, or
> adapting something. Cardew also has something on ball mills, very
> good no
> doubt, but I find it harder to understand. Grebanier's ball mill took me
> just an afternoon to build! It was so long ago, I do not remember did I
> have to order anything made, but I think it all was assembled from ready
> stuff at hardware store. Your public library should be able to get you
> Grebanier's book...
>
>
>
> Christie Johnson-Lucero writes:
>
>> I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals
>> and am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit
>> financially and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute?
>> Also, how do you clean the balls between glazes?
>> Christie Lucero
>> Snowlion Fine Arts
>> Escudilla Bonita, NM
>>
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>> melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
>
>
> Lili Krakowski
> P.O. Box #1
> Constableville, N.Y.
> (315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
>
> Be of good courage....
>
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J. B. Clauson on tue 21 jan 03
I shall repeat my old teacher's method. She took a large jar she got from
one of the local delis (I think it was a pickle jar) and added large glass
marbles. She loaded the jar with material to be milled and put the jar on
its side in the back of her jeep and let it roll around as she drove around
town. After milling was complete, she unloaded the jar and rinsed the jar
and the marbles in clear water and, after drying completely, her "ball mill"
was ready to roll again. I haven't tried this (I have the jar and the jeep,
but no studio at present so nothing to mill) but she swore by her method.
It's cheap and won't hurt to try until you can afford a manufactured mill.
Jan C.
James Bledsoe on tue 21 jan 03
i have used a cement mixer and rocks i simply fixed a sheet of canvas over
the lip of the barrel and let her rip it was noisy but it got the job done.
> >
> > Christie Johnson-Lucero writes:
> >
> >> I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals
> >> and am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit
> >> financially and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute?
> >> Also, how do you clean the balls between glazes?
> >> Christie Lucero
> >> Snowlion Fine Arts
> >> Escudilla Bonita, NM
Logan Oplinger on wed 22 jan 03
Dear Christie,
You may want to investigate using one of the many types of rock tumblers
available, the type used to polish rocks for jewelery. For the least
expensive, smallest holding 1=BDlb. models, I have seen prices on the web at=
just over $50; to just under $600 for the largest holding 65lb. These
tumblers have barrels that are either plastic or rubber lined, but since
they are used with abrasive grinding grits, must have a decent life span.
These tumblers come complete with mill (drive unit), barrel, and sometimes
a range of grinding grits & polishing compounds. Replacement barrel prices
are also reasonable. Check the following web sites:
http://www.dadsrockshop.com/tumbler.html
http://www.einsteins-emporium.com/earth/geology/eg933.htm
http://www.bergsrockshop.com/cgi-bin/product.php?item=3DRock%20Tumblers
http://4facets.com/tumbler.html
http://www.accountwizard.com/clients/shop.asp?web=3Drocks4u&header=3D69
http://www.edusphere.com/themes/big_tumblers.htm
http://www.edusphere.com/themes/rocktumblers.htm
http://tilemosaics.com/beta/enter.html?target=3Ddept_23.html&lang=3Den-us
After looking at these sites, you may want to see if you can get a better
price by going to e-bay at:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%=
2Fws%
2F&krd=3D1&from=3DR8&MfcISAPICommand=3DGetResult&ht=3D1&SortProperty=3DMetaE=
ndSort&que
ry=3Drock+tumbler
And, just on a whim, I did a search on e-bay with the words "ball mill" (no
quotes), and the following came up:
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%=
2Fws%
2F&krd=3D1&from=3DR8&MfcISAPICommand=3DGetResult&ht=3D1&SortProperty=3DMetaE=
ndSort&que
ry=3Dball+mill
Not all of the items are related to ball mill jars or ball mill drives, but
there were a couple of items that looked promising.
For cleaning my ball mill jars, if wet grinding, I dump the entire contents
onto a heavy, coarse screen (a plastic colander would also work) over a pan
or bucket. I then rinse the jars into the screen with a small amount of
water, and finally, rinse off the balls on the screen with a small amount
of water. I then adjust the water content of the ground glaze slurry by
either adding more water, or letting the slurry settle and drain of any
excess water. (Caution! If any materials in the glaze are soluble, then
settling and draining off the excess liquid will not work.)
If I am dry grinding, I also dump the entire contents onto a coarse screen
over a pan. I then use a very stiff dish brush to clean out the jar over
the screen. I use the same brush to roll the balls around on the screen.
Some materials will compact and stick to the inside of the jar or on the
balls. In this case my only recourse has been to wet rinse and clean as
below.
If I want to be sure the jar and grinding balls are clean, I reload the jar
with a small amount of clear glass chips, water and balls, then let it run
for about 10 minutes. I then clean and rinse in the same way as after
grinding the glaze, but I discard the washings, saving the balls and glass
chips.
I hope you can find what you need, good luck.
Logan Oplinger
Another Pacific island,
Lat.: 13.5, Long.: 144.7
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:14:37 -0700, Christie Johnson-Lucero
wrote:
>I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals and
am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit financially
and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute? Also, how do you
clean the balls between glazes?
>Christie Lucero
>Snowlion Fine Arts
>Escudilla Bonita, NM
>
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Jack Rosenberg on wed 22 jan 03
A simple photo illustration and instructions for making your own ball
mill
http://www.unitednuclear.com/ballmill.htm
Jack Rosenberg
-----Original Message-----
From: Lily Krakowski [mailto:mlkrakowski@CITLINK.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Ball mills, care and feeding of....
In his book Joseph Grebanier has a plan for a ball mill. The container
I
used was bought, but there are descriptions of people making their own,
or
adapting something. Cardew also has something on ball mills, very good
no
doubt, but I find it harder to understand. Grebanier's ball mill took
me
just an afternoon to build! It was so long ago, I do not remember did I
have to order anything made, but I think it all was assembled from ready
stuff at hardware store. Your public library should be able to get you
Grebanier's book...
Christie Johnson-Lucero writes:
> I 'm working with some tin-lead based majolica glazes for tile murals
and am contimplating acquiring a ball mill. It's a pretty hard hit
financially and I'm wondering if there is a home-made substitute? Also,
how do you clean the balls between glazes?
> Christie Lucero
> Snowlion Fine Arts
> Escudilla Bonita, NM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
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Lili Krakowski
P.O. Box #1
Constableville, N.Y.
(315) 942-5916/ 397-2389
Be of good courage....
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