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a question about digital controllers (a word of caution)

updated sat 25 jan 03

 

Arnold Howard on thu 23 jan 03


I was talking recently to an engineer at Orton about their version
of the "KISS" program. It attaches to the kiln through an RS232
port similar to the way the Bartlett board does.

The engineer said that if you monitor the kiln from a remote
location, you should be near the kiln before shut-off time. It is
possible for a malfunction to happen that would not show up on your
computer and that would overfire the kiln. An example would be a
defective thermocouple, or a thermocouple that has been pushed part
way out of the firing chamber.

Sincerely,

Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P.


--- WHC228@AOL.COM wrote:
> Probably the best way to learn about the KISS program is to call
> the Bartlett
> Instrument Co. These are very helpful people. 319 372 8366. I use
> the KISS
> program to supervise my kilns both from my studio and from home.
> I use a PC
> Anywhere program to call my computer in town to see what is going
> on in my
> kilns. It is really good when there is a chance of a power
> failure. I live
> three miles from my studio, and it has saved me a lot of trips to
> and from my
> studio.
> If you use this program and are controlling more than one zone in
> your kiln
> you really get a chance to get a visual record of what is going
> on, and an
> opportunity to balance those zones so that the whole kiln is
> firing
> accurately.
> Bill Campbell


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Roger Korn on fri 24 jan 03


Arnold Howard wrote:

>I was talking recently to an engineer at Orton about their version
>of the "KISS" program. It attaches to the kiln through an RS232
>port similar to the way the Bartlett board does.
>
>The engineer said that if you monitor the kiln from a remote
>location, you should be near the kiln before shut-off time.
>
I still include a Dawson/ Orton kiln sitter when I build a custom
programmable kiln. It helps me sleep.

This is a good thread - I use stock ramp-and-hold industrial process
controllers and attempt to use
documentation aimed at the craft potter audience to teach operation, but
I doubt the effectiveness of
this approach, because this audience needs something more intuitive and
more visual. A possible approach
would be to write software that would allow the user to draw a
time-temperature program curve on a
lap-top, then download it to the EPROM in the controller, but that
requires a lap-top or a loooong RS-232
cable .

>It is
>possible for a malfunction to happen that would not show up on your
>computer and that would overfire the kiln. An example would be a
>defective thermocouple, or a thermocouple that has been pushed part
>way out of the firing chamber.
>
This is, to me, a really major issue. I want to physically "be there"
for shut-off, no matter how well
I've automated the process, no matter what safety redundancy is built
into the system.

Roger

>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Arnold Howard
>Paragon Industries, L.P.
>
>
>--- WHC228@AOL.COM wrote:
>
>>Probably the best way to learn about the KISS program is to call
>>the Bartlett
>>Instrument Co. These are very helpful people. 319 372 8366. I use
>>the KISS
>>program to supervise my kilns both from my studio and from home.
>>I use a PC
>>Anywhere program to call my computer in town to see what is going
>>on in my
>>kilns. It is really good when there is a chance of a power
>>failure. I live
>>three miles from my studio, and it has saved me a lot of trips to
>>and from my
>>studio.
>>If you use this program and are controlling more than one zone in
>>your kiln
>>you really get a chance to get a visual record of what is going
>>on, and an
>>opportunity to balance those zones so that the whole kiln is
>>firing
>>accurately.
>>Bill Campbell
>>
>
>
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