Gretchen Zinkan on sun 26 jan 03
Thoughts in the studio today;
I still think clean water is more slippery than slip and I am curious if
others find the same thing. I threw all today with just a little bit of
water=8Aand the slurry. The great thing is that I have less wetness to deal
with and that=B9s great=8Abut it seems that the first water you use is the most
slippery. What do you think?
Gretchen Zinkan
East Kootenays
Canadian Rocky Mountain Trench=20
Carol Tripp on mon 27 jan 03
I was taught to use water. In fact, I had a teacher who had us leaping up
and down to change the water after each pot thrown. She insisted we throw
with clean water! Than I read an article by Ivor in Oz and he said to throw
with slip. I tried it and was hooked. The only time I have to use water is
when I teach at the Art Centre and I don't have a bucket of slip on the go.
Yes, water is slippery all right but it splashes too much and saturates the
clay too quickly. I would love to see a dry throwing demo - ah, someday.
Best regards,
Carol
Dubai, UAE
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victoria henricksen on mon 27 jan 03
I throw with both plain water and with slip...it
really depends on how soft my clay is. I find that if
my clay is really soft, then water will just make it
too sloppy. But if my clay is a little firm, then i
need the water so that it doesnt 'grab'. When i was
learning to throw, the instructor told us that using
slip was the best, as the clay didn't absorb so much
moisture...but it seemed so much easier to throw when
the water was sparkling clean! I would get up and
change my water after every few attempts! what a
waste!
It was sort of comical the day that i cracked my
throwing water bucket and had to borrow the
instructors. After the class, i was totally fastiduous
in cleaning and drying his bucket, but when i returned
it to him he made a huge fuss over the fact that i had
removed "all of that wonderful slurry that was
accumulating in the bottom". He made me feel so bad
that i actually stayed after class to throw some more
things until i had filled the bottom third of the
bucket again (because i was a beginner that really
didnt take too long).
cheers
Victoria
in central kootenays (east shore of kootenay
lake)
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Lois Ruben Aronow on mon 27 jan 03
I personally prefer slip, although I work with porcelain. The slip is
nice and slippery. I imagine a groggy clay would be less lovely to
throw with.
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Peter and Samantha Tomich on mon 27 jan 03
My teacher taught us to throw dry, although at the time we didn't have a
clue there was any different way to throw, until a guest potter came and
threw with tons of water! What a new discovery... I threw with lots of water
and went from 4 inch tall vessels to 8 inch tall ;) Doubled my height, so I
threw with water after that. Now I'm working on getting some of that dry
throwing back since I'm out of my newbie days. But I still love a clay that
can take a lot of water.
Samantha Tomich
Waikoloa, Hawaii
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Subject: Re: water verses slip
I was taught to use water. In fact, I had a teacher who had us leaping up
and down to change the water after each pot thrown. She insisted we throw
with clean water! Than I read an article by Ivor in Oz and he said to throw
with slip. I tried it and was hooked. The only time I have to use water is
when I teach at the Art Centre and I don't have a bucket of slip on the go.
Yes, water is slippery all right but it splashes too much and saturates the
clay too quickly. I would love to see a dry throwing demo - ah, someday.
Best regards,
Carol
Dubai, UAE
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iandol on tue 28 jan 03
Dear Carol,=20
Thanks for the Rap..
In a communal situation fresh water is possibly the best thing to use as =
it shows consideration for health and safety issues. So if I were =
teaching novices I would certainly start with fresh water.
If we consider the science of water then it is stuff which has a lot of =
attraction forces working in its molecules and these help to make it =
stick to things, which is why it wets things so readily. But those =
attraction forces also cause it to bind on to itself, so that reduces =
mobility. Once clay gets freely mixed up with the water those attraction =
forces get used up and so the fluid mix of clay and water has better =
lubricity.
And you are right. Clay does not adsorb water from throwing slip. I =
suppose this is because so much of the water is already occupied by clay =
and so is reluctant to break its bonds.
Yes, I like to throw some forms dry once the initial shaping is done. =
Demonstrations and teaching the process? Could be a good idea. Should =
you choose Oz for a holiday, head this way for some hands on.
How the current political crisis is not having much effect on you and =
the family.
Best regards,
Ivor
knezbah@QWEST.NET on thu 30 jan 03
Dear Iandol: I love all the chat. However, if you had access
to a piece on NPR (Nat'l Public Radio-www.npr.org) just this
week about how New Mexicans recycle their water (& even
chide their children for taking too long of a shower) then
you might have an insight into how the water situation is
here in New Mexico. AWFUL. As reported by Dean who went to
Taos from San Antone, There Is No Snow. And there doesn't
seem to be any snow in the forecast. Icky-poo caa-caa. So, I
keep a small bucket of water for as many days as it Will
Last at my wheel (clay slaking to the bottom, kitty sipping
at it now & again) to be used for throwing and grabbing as
much slaked clay for "schmooze" to join joints on pots.
thanks for asking, does oz have more water than us? more
fire than us...By the by, thanks for asking how we're
muddling on...in the words of the writer Tom Robbins, "the
international situation is, desperate, as usual." oh
well...Pot on, knezbah
iandol on sat 1 feb 03
Dear Kathleen ,
Water is a dirty work in our household at the moment. Received this =
week, a letter from the water people saying that our usage for the past =
half year was up by nearly two hundred percent against the same period =
for two years previous.
Absolutely no explanation. Checked the pipes and taps. No leaks. But =
they have changed the meter so I think we are in for a fight if they try =
to charge us.
Water in South Australia is a major problem. Most of it is contaminated =
with high levels of salt, a real health hazard. We get the dregs from =
the river after every one in the east has had there use and disposal. =
Not enough water even in a good rain year to make it flow into the sea. =
I learn that the Colorado river will suffer the same fate. This drought =
is a two thousand year event, the second in seventy years!!! Sorry you =
have no snow on the mountains. Just blame El Nino.
We do by the way, recycle all of our water. Without doing that our =
garden would be a Desert.
Our humidity is so low that I would have to seal my throwing water =
overnight if I wanted to have any in the pot in the morning/ Used top =
put shower caps on all of the glaze buckets but they were only partly =
successful in the short term.
I have news that acid rain is becoming a big problem in North America.
Best regards,
Ivor
Martin Howard on sun 2 feb 03
Ivor, we in the UK are suffering from too much water.
Many homes are flooded now, on a regular basis and cannot get insurance
cover any more.
Fields are sodden and crops are drowned.
We now have sudden very heavy snowfalls that make the country's
communications collapse because the gritters cannot get onto the roads
quickly enough.
I still save my roof water for the garden and pottery but get my drinking
water from the next village, from a spring.
But most in the UK don't do anything to save water usage or conserve it.
They may find that in the summer there is a severe drought and they will be
in the same boat as you in Australia.
Martin Howard
Webbs Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
01371 850 423
martin@webbscottage.co.uk
http://www.webbscottage.co.uk
Updated 23rd January 2003
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