Joanna Jorgensen on wed 5 mar 03
Dear Ryan,
In Susan Peterson's book " The Craft and Art of Clay" she gives a few
recipes that are formulated for a translucent 04 porcelain clay body,
and an 04 stone ware body. I have not tried these so I don't know how
difficult they are. The 04 porcelain is about half frit or cullet. If
you can't get your hands on the book let me know and I'll email the
recipes to you.
To All: Here's a question..
I would like to make up small sample batches of the unusual clay bodies
in the above book, but I do not currently mix my own clay and don't have
any equipment to facilitate mixing it. Can you recommend an easy way to
mix up sample batches of a clay body with out the use of a large mixer
or pugmill? Can I just dump the ingredients in a five gallon bucket add
water and mix with a blade on a power drill? Is it that simple? Could it
be? I have small plaster bats that I slake water out of my recycled
clay, but beyond that I don't have anything.
Joanna Jorgensen
In Coconut Creek FL, where the stargazer lilies are in bloom and the air
smells like perfume in the courtyard.
Snail Scott on wed 5 mar 03
At 09:39 AM 3/5/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I would like to make up small sample batches of the unusual clay
bodies...Can I just dump the ingredients in a five gallon bucket add
>water and mix with a blade on a power drill? Is it that simple?
Yes, it really is that simple. Dry-mix the materials
first for the best homogeneity, then add to a bucket
which already contains some water. About 20# dry
weight is good for a 5 gallon bucket. Add more water
as needed, and mix it to a slip-like consistency, then
either let it sit (the slow way) or pour it onto/into
a plaster bat or into a canvas sling/bag (fast ways).
That's it. -Snail
Jim Murphy on thu 6 mar 03
Perhaps "Parianware" should have been used instead of porcelain.
A Cone 04 translucent Parian body may be prepared from the following:
Body Frit/Ground Glass 50
Ball Clay 25
Kaolin 25
I've heard this is a Belleek-type translucent body. See Belleek's website
for product examples:
Best wishes,
Jim Murphy
Joanna Jorgensen on mon 10 mar 03
I wanted to add a post script to my inquires about this 04 Claybody.
Let me preface the following by saying that I can't begin to express the
thanks I have for Clayart and the volumes of information I have learned,
the kindness I have been shown from so many that are so much farther in
their clay journey than I, and the camaraderie that I have felt here.
That said, I thought that I should step in here(with foot in mouth
perhaps), and say that as a "newbie" (hate that term-sounds like a
muppet) how intimidating it is at times to share and ask what may be
stupid questions. There is so much information to be gained here it is
overwhelming. When the rath is directed at what may have been an
innocuous or poorly worded question, it is even more daunting a prospect
to ask another question.
I understand we all have things that we feel strongly about, I myself
have been told by my other half many times that I have an opinion on
everything and I do enjoy a good spar.
But, it seems that questions asked are taken as a personal affront, not
a quest for information, and there are those answers with a sharpness
that is not needed to explain to someone where they need to be
corrected. No one is personally attacking your way of thinking or doing,
but the reply is so harsh, so scolding that I feel like I should be sent
to my room without supper, to come back later when I am worthy.
Perhaps I have overstepped my boundaries, perhaps I, in my own zeal to
contribute and exchange, have offended by using a wrong word. Isn't that
what this list is about, though? Contributing, exchanging and sharing
knowledge- that's why I read it.
Joanna Jorgensen
Coconut Creek, FL
Having second thoughts about sending this, but feel that for all those
starting out in clay and asking "can this be done another way?"-it
should be said.
claybair on mon 10 mar 03
Joanna,
Of all the artistic expressions clay has to be one to the leaders in
pushing "can this be done another way?" to the extreme. It is one of the
reasons after 45 years testing various art media I fell in love with clay.
Don't ever feel you have a stupid question... ever!!! There are only stupid
responses! Of course if you check with archives before you post a question
you can circumvent the annoyed " Look it up in Clayart archives" responses.
Gayle Bair - I have questions I don't even know I have yet!
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joanna
Jorgensen
I wanted to add a post script to my inquires about this 04 Claybody.
Let me preface the following by saying that I can't begin to express the
thanks I have for Clayart and the volumes of information I have learned,
the kindness I have been shown from so many that are so much farther in
their clay journey than I, and the camaraderie that I have felt here.
That said, I thought that I should step in here(with foot in mouth
perhaps), and say that as a "newbie" (hate that term-sounds like a
muppet) how intimidating it is at times to share and ask what may be
stupid questions. There is so much information to be gained here it is
overwhelming. When the rath is directed at what may have been an
innocuous or poorly worded question, it is even more daunting a prospect
to ask another question.
I understand we all have things that we feel strongly about, I myself
have been told by my other half many times that I have an opinion on
everything and I do enjoy a good spar.
But, it seems that questions asked are taken as a personal affront, not
a quest for information, and there are those answers with a sharpness
that is not needed to explain to someone where they need to be
corrected. No one is personally attacking your way of thinking or doing,
but the reply is so harsh, so scolding that I feel like I should be sent
to my room without supper, to come back later when I am worthy.
Perhaps I have overstepped my boundaries, perhaps I, in my own zeal to
contribute and exchange, have offended by using a wrong word. Isn't that
what this list is about, though? Contributing, exchanging and sharing
knowledge- that's why I read it.
Joanna Jorgensen
Coconut Creek, FL
Having second thoughts about sending this, but feel that for all those
starting out in clay and asking "can this be done another way?"-it
should be said.
Hendrix, Taylor J. on mon 10 mar 03
Joan,
No, you have not overstepped your bounds. You are right. Some of the
replies were harsh. Many of us on the list forget to teach and instead
preach.
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: Joanna Jorgensen [mailto:joanna@IWANTCOMPHAX.COM]=20
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:13 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: cone 04 Porcelain
...
Perhaps I have overstepped my boundaries, perhaps I, in my own zeal to
contribute and exchange, have offended by using a wrong word. Isn't that
what this list is about, though? Contributing, exchanging and sharing
knowledge- that's why I read it.
Joanna Jorgensen
...
Vince Pitelka on mon 10 mar 03
Joanna -
You make some very good comments about the way responses to questions from
newcomers can come across. Please do not take it personally. I don't think
that the responses directed towards your original question were especially
harsh, at least I hope they were not. In the ongoing discussion there may
have been some posts (including several of mine) that showed a bit of
irritation, but that is inevitable in any lively discussion, and if you had
a part in starting such a discussion you deserve to be proud of that fact.
There is no reason that you should take the content of these messages
personally.
One of the very best aphorisms for participation in Clayart is "If no
offense was intended, then there is none." Try to read responses as if you
are sitting opposite the writer, and he or she is an old friend with a smile
on his or her face. You will be amazed by how it changes your
interpretation of the post. Besides, if you stick around Clayart for a few
years thats what we will all be - old friends with smiles on our faces
(usually).
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Vince Pitelka on mon 10 mar 03
Taylor wrote:
"No, you have not overstepped your bounds. You are right. Some of the
replies were harsh. Many of us on the list forget to teach and instead
preach."
Taylor -
This is the kind of information that can dilute and homogenize this list.
This is not a teaching list. It is a discussion list. Discussions sometimes
become heated, and people sometimes become irritated. That is just the
reality of human conversation, and in general terms it is nothing to condemn
or avoid. That said, it is a real shame when someone responds in a rude or
irritated fashion to a basic or beginning question. There is very little
excuse for that.
As I said in an earlier post, "If no offense was intended, then there is
none." Clayart is far better appreciated with that in mind. This is like
any human conversational dynamic. People are not always nice to each other,
and when participating in Internet discussion lists there is no gain at all
in a thin-skinned vulnerability to offense, imagined or otherwise.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
Hendrix, Taylor J. on tue 11 mar 03
Vince,
I doubt my three lines diluted, homogenized, freeze dried, or otherwise
adversely affected the list. As you say, it is a discussion list. I
was discussing. Perhaps we should elect a cull squad to rid the
archives of all dross. I nominate you as chairperson. Discussion is
what Janet and Lily have done regarding vocabulary slide. This is great
stuff. Discussion is what you and others do regarding the worth of
BFAs/MFAs. Also very good discussion. But, sometimes a question is
just a question, not a cigar. I was expressing my opinion that at times
questioners are often subjected to unnecessary heat because they haven't
the foresight to know that their question will touch some nerve. A
question deserves a considerate, non-ax-grinding answer, don't you
think? Sorry, but I commiserate when I feel like it. I'm just a wuss.
And I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
There is no substitute for good manners, on the internet or other where.
After all we're not carpenters!
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince Pitelka [mailto:vpitelka@ATT.NET]=20
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:17 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: cone 04 Porcelain
...
Taylor -
This is the kind of information that can dilute and homogenize this
list.
This is not a teaching list. It is a discussion list. Discussions
sometimes
become heated, and people sometimes become irritated. That is just the
reality of human conversation, and in general terms it is nothing to
condemn
or avoid. That said, it is a real shame when someone responds in a rude
or
irritated fashion to a basic or beginning question. There is very
little
excuse for that.
...
BVCuma on tue 11 mar 03
>>This is the kind of information that can dilute and homogenize this list.
This is not a teaching list. It is a discussion list.<<
>>but that is inevitable in any lively discussion, and if you had
a part in starting such a discussion you deserve to be proud of that fact.<<
_________________________
Hey Vince... Right on!
Both these points have been lingering on my mind.
I find the most invigorating posts are written
by those who have very strong, clear and considered opinions.
So often the original post simply acts as a catalyst
to initiate a well defined and informative series of posts...
...and we all benefit from that.
Thanks,
Bvcuma
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