iandol on sat 8 mar 03
Dear Janet Kaiser,
Well said Young Lady. A most Patriotic address to the nation of Clayart.
Those who have doubts that Janet may not be on the right track here =
should get their heads inside the book, "Contemporary Porcelain" by =
Peter Lane. I would assert that it would be nigh on impossible to make =
the objects he as chosen to use in his illustrations in anything but =
Hard Paste Porcelain or the other paste, the one made from calcined =
bones and Kaolin, known as Bone China.=20
If people wish to go for the low temperature stuff they will eventually =
finish up with a material which has similar attributes to White Pyrex =
Kitchenware. Would anyone who calls themselves a Clayartist wish to have =
that hung around their necks.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Finding myself uncomfortably in accord former Labour Prime Minister Bob =
Hawk who has pronounced the promised conflict which may be initiated by =
the USA administration as "Stupid"
Paul Herman on sun 9 mar 03
Dear Janet,
Thank you for the statement on hard fired Porcelain. It was very good.
As someone who struggles with the stuff, I know it isn't easy to do.
And Ivor, though you may be uncomfortable, there are uncountable
millions who feel like you, including of course, yours truly.
Together in our discomfort,
Paul Herman
Great Basin Pottery
423-725 Scott Road
Doyle, California 96109 US
potter@psln.com
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>From: iandol
> Dear Janet Kaiser,
>
> Well said Young Lady. A most Patriotic address to the nation of Clayart.
>
> Those who have doubts that Janet may not be on the right track here should
> get their heads inside the book, "Contemporary Porcelain" by Peter Lane. I
> would assert that it would be nigh on impossible to make the objects he as
> chosen to use in his illustrations in anything but Hard Paste Porcelain or
> the other paste, the one made from calcined bones and Kaolin, known as Bone
> China.
>
> If people wish to go for the low temperature stuff they will eventually
> finish up with a material which has similar attributes to White Pyrex
> Kitchenware. Would anyone who calls themselves a Clayartist wish to have
> that hung around their necks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ivor Lewis.
>
> Finding myself uncomfortably in accord former Labour Prime Minister Bob
> Hawk who has pronounced the promised conflict which may be initiated by the
> USA administration as "Stupid"
Vince Pitelka on sun 9 mar 03
> Ok....just tell me what I am to call my ^5-6 pieces made with a claybody
> that states ^5-6 porcelain.
> And while we are at it... what shall we call Raku made in the USA?
> And what should I call the sushi I make because it is not traditional
sushi?
Come on, Gayle, that's a little over the top. As has been stated in several
posts, it has become farily widely accepted that hard durable white gritless
porcelaineous cone 6 bodies are often referred to as porcelain. But as has
been also pointed out, by the most technical and historical definintion they
are not true porcelain.
However, in serving our customers honestly, if we call our work porcelain,
then we must deliver something that looks, feels, and functions like
porcelain. If that is possible at cone 6, then I have no problem with
anyone calling it porcelain. That's just my own opinion of course.
Midrange seems to be the cutoff point. Below that temperature, it is just
too far from the real thing to be called porcelain.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
claybair on sun 9 mar 03
Ok....just tell me what I am to call my ^5-6 pieces made with a claybody
that states ^5-6 porcelain.
And while we are at it... what shall we call Raku made in the USA?
And what should I call the sushi I make because it is not traditional sushi?
and.... and....
Gayle Bair ... hmmm...... Australia is looking pretty inviting these days!
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of iandol
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:18 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: : Re: ^04 porcelain
Dear Janet Kaiser,
Well said Young Lady. A most Patriotic address to the nation of Clayart.
Those who have doubts that Janet may not be on the right track here should
get their heads inside the book, "Contemporary Porcelain" by Peter Lane. I
would assert that it would be nigh on impossible to make the objects he as
chosen to use in his illustrations in anything but Hard Paste Porcelain or
the other paste, the one made from calcined bones and Kaolin, known as Bone
China.
If people wish to go for the low temperature stuff they will eventually
finish up with a material which has similar attributes to White Pyrex
Kitchenware. Would anyone who calls themselves a Clayartist wish to have
that hung around their necks.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Finding myself uncomfortably in accord former Labour Prime Minister Bob Hawk
who has pronounced the promised conflict which may be initiated by the USA
administration as "Stupid"
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iandol on mon 10 mar 03
Dear Gayle,
You ask <a claybody that states ^5-6 porcelain.>>
If it has the major qualities after being fired: Rings like a bell and =
does not give a dull "Thud" when hit with the back of a spoon or a hard =
knuckle; Pretty well white or even a hint of grey; Lets a bit of light =
through from a bright globe held against a thin spot, then I think you =
have every right to say you are making Porcelain Pieces.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis
claybair on mon 10 mar 03
Yep! Etymologically speaking that was exactly my point Vince....
A little over the top. Just as Lili K. (I think it was Lili) stated about
English... it is a living language!
It is probably why we have dictionaries. One word may have multiple
definitions and you have to pick the one that fits. So Raku will be always
have it's root definition but increasing definitions as potters come up with
new applications.
Clay is a living medium it will continue to change and expand.. though I do
agree there will probably never be a ^04 porcelain.
Gayle Bair- remembering the VW's with Rolls Royce grills... now what were
they called???
Bainbridge Island, WA
http://claybair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Vince
Pitelka
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:13 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: : Re: ^04 porcelain
> Ok....just tell me what I am to call my ^5-6 pieces made with a claybody
> that states ^5-6 porcelain.
> And while we are at it... what shall we call Raku made in the USA?
> And what should I call the sushi I make because it is not traditional
sushi?
Come on, Gayle, that's a little over the top. As has been stated in several
posts, it has become farily widely accepted that hard durable white gritless
porcelaineous cone 6 bodies are often referred to as porcelain. But as has
been also pointed out, by the most technical and historical definintion they
are not true porcelain.
However, in serving our customers honestly, if we call our work porcelain,
then we must deliver something that looks, feels, and functions like
porcelain. If that is possible at cone 6, then I have no problem with
anyone calling it porcelain. That's just my own opinion of course.
Midrange seems to be the cutoff point. Below that temperature, it is just
too far from the real thing to be called porcelain.
Best wishes -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft
Tennessee Technological University
1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166
Home - vpitelka@dtccom.net
615/597-5376
Office - wpitelka@tntech.edu
615/597-6801 x111, FAX 615/597-6803
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
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