Janet Kaiser on sun 23 mar 03
You'll all have a good laugh at this...
The (overheard) discussion was about how good they were, wonderful colours,
etc. etc.
"Great" I thought, "people discussing the process and look instead of just
bemoaning the prices of pots". I did briefly wonder why shino glazes,
because we don't have any on exhibition, but I shrugged and got ready to
ask were they potters themselves (although they both looked more like
society girls and that perfume was at least =A3100 a bottle)... You never
can tell though.
Or maybe they were big time collectors... Experts... Look like they could
buy the whole exhibition no problem... I began to get really excited...
This sort of knowledge and level of appreciation would surely lead to a
sale... Hard to resist some of our work right now... My blood pressure
rose... Got the brain in gear...
The ladies advanced and one went on to tell the other how good Henry looked
in his...
"Ugh?" Had I misheard? Oh, no... "Oliver had a lovely pair too... Great for
golf".
Now they really had lost me...
OK... You guessed already... But how is a country bumpkin like me supposed
to know that CHINOS are the "in" trousers? HUMmmm? I know... Get a life. We
have to go buy Eckhard some smart pants soon anyway... He burned his jeans
yesterday. Small protest gesture, but it has left him with a bare backside!
Ha! Chinos... Yes, but he'll have to have them years before they even start
to feel comfortable...
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser - Enjoying the most remarkable summer weather! Up in the high
60=B0s and sunny. We are going to have trouble adjusting to "average"
temperatures and weather when it returns to a "seasonal normal". First time
I remember having to water through the winter.
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Lily Krakowski on sun 23 mar 03
Janet: Good to hear you laugh! Your story reminds one of Thornton Wilder's
remark: "Some Americans call it Rhine, and some call it Rhône..."
All blessings...
Janet Kaiser writes:
> You'll all have a good laugh at this...
>>OK... But how is a country bumpkin like me supposed
> to know that CHINOS are the "in" trousers? HUMmmm? I know... Get a life. Wehave to go buy Eckhard some smart pants soon anyway... He burned his jeans
> yesterday. Small protest gesture, but it has left him with a bare backside!
> Ha! Chinos... Yes, but he'll have to have them years before they even startto feel comfortable...
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________________
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P.O. Box #1
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Be of good courage....
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 23 mar 03
Oh...funny stuff Janet...!
Over here, the modern renditions of 'chinos' did enjoy ( or
suffer) something of a popularity for a while, with
obnoxious commercials and magazine ads to guide the
otherwise distracted pilgrim to the 'swing-dance'
way-of-faith, and it's attending aspirations of outlets or
inlets for social energy and or of maybe getting laid or
something.
The craze also overlapped an otherwise quiet persistant
rounding up of those (otherwise light-Khaki Cotton of fine
twill)
'chinos' as had been the standard World War Two Summerweight
Trousers of our various Armed Forces being then sold to
Japan, where, at auction there, certain of them were
bringing six to eight hundred dollars a pair. No one got
that for them here, but unknown tens of thousands of extant
pairs went bye-bye for the Jap collectors, re-enactors and
whatnots of their 'clubs' where they like to dress like we
did and posture or walk around or whatever and have fun
seeing who knew the most 'Bhurma-Shave' progressions or
whatever it is they do.
Overall, they were fine and proper Trousers, cut full as
trousers ought to be, and usually having nice chocolate
brown buttons for the front closure and the back pocket
flaps. The immediate post-war ones were zippered, then
shorter at the top, and hence disappointing, but still had
the nice fabric.
The real ones, the pre-war or WWII era ones, were very well
made, comfortable, looked smart, and wore well.
They were great trousers, and for some reason ( the usual
'reasons'?) none of the modern ones were ever cut right or
had the nice buttons, even though many had a nice enough
fabric to them.
Anyway, the Jap market had mercifully diminished after the
nazz-dakk did it's pirhouette and half-gainer into the
toilet, and slowed the egress of a great many arcane
American esoterica being stuffed into those 20 or 40 foot
Containerized-Cargo boxes for the sigh-oh-nara from here.
Anyway...
'chinos'...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Kaiser"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:08 AM
Subject: You say chino, I say shino
You'll all have a good laugh at this...
The (overheard) discussion was about how good they were,
wonderful colours,
etc. etc.
"Great" I thought, "people discussing the process and look
instead of just
bemoaning the prices of pots". I did briefly wonder why
shino glazes,
because we don't have any on exhibition, but I shrugged and
got ready to
ask were they potters themselves (although they both looked
more like
society girls and that perfume was at least £100 a
bottle)... You never
can tell though.
Or maybe they were big time collectors... Experts... Look
like they could
buy the whole exhibition no problem... I began to get really
excited...
This sort of knowledge and level of appreciation would
surely lead to a
sale... Hard to resist some of our work right now... My
blood pressure
rose... Got the brain in gear...
The ladies advanced and one went on to tell the other how
good Henry looked
in his...
"Ugh?" Had I misheard? Oh, no... "Oliver had a lovely pair
too... Great for
golf".
Now they really had lost me...
OK... You guessed already... But how is a country bumpkin
like me supposed
to know that CHINOS are the "in" trousers? HUMmmm? I know...
Get a life. We
have to go buy Eckhard some smart pants soon anyway... He
burned his jeans
yesterday. Small protest gesture, but it has left him with a
bare backside!
Ha! Chinos... Yes, but he'll have to have them years before
they even start
to feel comfortable...
Sincerely
Janet Kaiser - Enjoying the most remarkable summer weather!
Up in the high
60°s and sunny. We are going to have trouble adjusting to
"average"
temperatures and weather when it returns to a "seasonal
normal". First time
I remember having to water through the winter.
************************************************************
**********
TRUTH is too precious to tell every fool who asks for
it...
****** This post was sent to you today by Janet Kaiser
*******
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8 Marine Crescent, Criccieth LL52 0EA, Wales, UK
Tel: ++44 (01766) 523570 URL: http://www.the-coa.org.uk
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Hendrix, Taylor J. on mon 24 mar 03
Might you two mean JAPANESE or JAPAN when you type "Jap"?
Taylor, in Waco feeling a bit uncomfortable
-----Original Message-----
From: terryh [mailto:terryh@PDQ.NET]=20
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 6:53 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: You say chino, I say shino
so, what are the Jap collectors and the Jap market?
(you weren't talking about Kenzo's, were you?)
phil wrote from las vegas:
"No one got
that for them here, but unknown tens of thousands of extant
pairs went bye-bye for the Jap collectors, ...
terryh on mon 24 mar 03
so, what are the Jap collectors and the Jap market?
(you weren't talking about Kenzo's, were you?)
phil wrote from las vegas:
"No one got
that for them here, but unknown tens of thousands of extant
pairs went bye-bye for the Jap collectors, re-enactors and
whatnots of their 'clubs' where they like to dress like we
did and posture or walk around or whatever and have fun
seeing who knew the most 'Bhurma-Shave' progressions or
whatever it is they do." and
"Anyway, the Jap market had mercifully diminished after the
nazz-dakk did it's pirhouette and half-gainer into the
toilet, and slowed the egress of a great many arcane
American esoterica being stuffed into those 20 or 40 foot
Containerized-Cargo boxes for the sigh-oh-nara from here.?
terry hagiwara
terryh@pdq.net
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/3755
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 25 mar 03
Dear Taylor,
Why uncomfortable?
Not all names of Nations or Peoples lend themselves to
convenient shortening, but some do, and hence such is done
where to do so is convenient. Certainly it is a tense as is
not at it's most formal, and...
One also hears say of 'Brit', 'Aussie', 'Canuck', 'Russkie',
'Norski', 'Hollanders'...and these are understood to be at
worst but a very mild pejorative if at all so, and maybe not
so too...maybe affectionate, maybe playful, whatever.
Other terms as are not in my vocabulary as may seem to
me...unseemly, or as have for me a connotation of some
distracting unpleasantness, and, I do not employ them.
For individuals as well...an 'Edward' may be called an
'Ed'...a Robert, a 'Bob'...a Barbara...'Babs'...Cynthia
becomes as 'Cindy'...and so on.
And...so?
Have we differing connotations?
Not uncomfortable, but certainly amused...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hendrix, Taylor J."
To:
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: You say chino, I say shino
Might you two mean JAPANESE or JAPAN when you type "Jap"?
Taylor, in Waco feeling a bit uncomfortable
-----Original Message-----
From: terryh [mailto:terryh@PDQ.NET]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 6:53 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: You say chino, I say shino
so, what are the Jap collectors and the Jap market?
(you weren't talking about Kenzo's, were you?)
phil wrote from las vegas:
"No one got
that for them here, but unknown tens of thousands of extant
pairs went bye-bye for the Jap collectors, ...
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on tue 25 mar 03
Hello Terrh,
I do not know what 'Kenzos' are, but, for much artifacts of
Western Americana, as 'Cowboy' related items, relics and
historical memorabilia, first edition Books, anything
Motorcycle or old Motorcycle related, American WWII Military
relics, artifacts and accoutremon, especially Army Air Corps
related, Uniforms ephemera etc...and...'Levis', 'Lees',
Leather Jackets...as well as many other American vernacular
clothing...a huge market existed for quite a while as drove,
or pulled the prices of these things up tenfold.
Some guys I knew, would go down Mexico way, buying old Chaps
and Spurrs and the odd Hat...spend maybe four hundred
dollars for a truckload...sell then to Japanese buyers for
twenty grand...the stuff at auction in Japan might make half
a million...a million...on and
on...'food-chains'...hierarchies...
Remember the thing of all them 'signs' at every washateria
and little crummy stores, as said "We buy used Levis?
That's where they were going...or the 'desireable' ones
anyway...the junk stayed here, went to Africa or whatever.
The 'right' pair might have brought twenty or thirty
thousand dollars.
Japanese buyers bought endless Ocean going containers of
this stuff, and many millions were made by people gathering
and selling such to them. Billions likely made by them as
bought the stuff here and sold it 'there'...
It was both in the 'trade' as well as in the common
vernacular peripheral to the trade, known as the
'Jap-Market'...
I was on a periphery as was contiguous with the periphery of
the 'food-chain' in which these trickles became rivulets and
streams of amassing hordes of artifacts getting gathered for
these buyers, and they combed about evey City and State of
the Union. Second to them were the German and Dutch
'markets' for some similar things as well as for old Cars.
The proponderance of our surviveing artifacts from the old
'West' as well as WWII related likely ended up in Japan in
the '80s and '90s...
Anyway...
That's the crash course!
As to their 'Clubs'...well, the little I know is that they
run the gamut...
Many Clubs of re-enacting American periods and
vignettes...WWII, the '50s...on and on and on...
Many other sorts of 'Clubs' too...
I used to know a gal as had worked as a 'Hostess' in some of
them.
Sometimes she did other things as a 'pinch-hitter' to fill
in...of an 'entertainment' nature, say...as in the '80s,
early '90s...and as paid a thousand U.S. dollars a night, or
for a few hours.
Anyway...it's a big old world out there...
Lots of things go on...
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "terryh"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: You say chino, I say shino
> so, what are the Jap collectors and the Jap market?
> (you weren't talking about Kenzo's, were you?)
>
> phil wrote from las vegas:
> "No one got
> that for them here, but unknown tens of thousands of
extant
> pairs went bye-bye for the Jap collectors, re-enactors and
> whatnots of their 'clubs' where they like to dress like we
> did and posture or walk around or whatever and have fun
> seeing who knew the most 'Bhurma-Shave' progressions or
> whatever it is they do." and
> "Anyway, the Jap market had mercifully diminished after
the
> nazz-dakk did it's pirhouette and half-gainer into the
> toilet, and slowed the egress of a great many arcane
> American esoterica being stuffed into those 20 or 40 foot
> Containerized-Cargo boxes for the sigh-oh-nara from here.?
>
> terry hagiwara
> terryh@pdq.net
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/3755
>
>
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Carl Finch on tue 25 mar 03
At 11:55 AM 3/25/03 -0800, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>Dear Taylor,
>
>Why uncomfortable?
>
>Not all names of Nations or Peoples lend themselves to
>convenient shortening, but some do, and hence such is done
>where to do so is convenient. Certainly it is a tense as is
>not at it's most formal, and...
>
>One also hears say of 'Brit', 'Aussie', 'Canuck', 'Russkie',
>'Norski', 'Hollanders'...and these are understood to be at
>worst but a very mild pejorative if at all so, and maybe not
>so too...maybe affectionate, maybe playful, whatever.
>
>Other terms as are not in my vocabulary as may seem to
>me...unseemly, or as have for me a connotation of some
>distracting unpleasantness, and, I do not employ them.
>
>For individuals as well...an 'Edward' may be called an
>'Ed'...a Robert, a 'Bob'...a Barbara...'Babs'...Cynthia
>becomes as 'Cindy'...and so on.
>
>And...so?
>
>Have we differing connotations?
I don't know how old you are, Phil, but many on Clayart I'm sure are aware
that during the Second World War, the terms "Jap" and "Nip" were used
derisively to refer to Japanese. That pejorative use was *anything* but
mild! The term has hung around and many folks still find it highly offensive.
Now, some may say "Get over it--that was 50 years ago. Don't be so PC."
Here's *my* definition of PC:
Politcally Correct -- a term of derision applied to those who let it be
known they care more than a rat's ass about the feelings of certain groups
of others.
--Carl (and if my first grade teacher is listening--not "Carly," dammit!)
Hendrix, Taylor J. on tue 25 mar 03
Phillip,
You gotta know b'now that I don't shortn' words unless
Absolutely necess. BTW, Brits, Aussies, Canucks, Norskis, Hollanders,
and others were not targets of such strong perjoration in our most
recent past as were the Japanese. (Hey you Brits! Been over 200 years
now. Love ya.) Since you're my elder, you get to say whatever you want
and I can't say notin' 'bout it. In my most humble of oppinions,
however, reference to the land of the rising sun and the people thereof
is best done with the full form of the word.
Hehe
By the by, very nice vest and tie at NCECA; saw some pics (not Picts!).
Taylor, in Waco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET [mailto:pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:56 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: You say chino, I say shino
Dear Taylor,
Why uncomfortable?
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